Pablo Torre

And so your security sources, when it comes to the people who are not involved again in the filing of the civil suit, but spoke to some of the allegations involved,

What do they say about the Garden wanting just this granular, literally second-by-second level of surveillance?

The lawsuit, which is, again, filed by this former MSG security staffer, it alleges that the guard and security boss believed that Nina's, quote, presence as an openly transgender woman could, quote, damage MSG's reputation, end quote.

We should say that Wired did send a detailed list of questions to Madison Square Garden about your reporting, about James Dolan, about his chief of security, who we will absolutely get to in a bit here.

And you gave them a long time to respond.

And how many of your specific questions did they ultimately answer?

And what did they write back, if anything?

We sent our own request for comment here at Pablo Torre Finds Out to MSG.

They referred to the same statement.

It is interesting.

In its own court filing in the civil case that the garden does acknowledge the monitoring of this woman, quote, as being described in excessive needless detail to garner attention for his, being the litigant's lawsuit, end quote.

But it does not deny the surveillance.

which is, again, hard to, I suppose, refute based on what we're holding in our hands.

And we've been talking, of course, about James Dolan being at the very top of this.

Yeah.

But in terms of whose eye is all seeing, whose personal perspective these cameras embody on a night like this, who was in charge that evening?

The guy behind the eye.

That's right.

So the guy behind the eyes.

You should say that there is not a lot about the chief security officer of the Madison Square Garden Company.