Paddy O'Connell

to launch their own, including Bridget Philipsen, the education secretary, who was at that time sitting next to her live on BBC One on Sunday with Laura Koonsberg. It was quite surreal, I have to say. So if you have been living under a rock or newscasters are coming to this this weekend... Or on the radio. Or on the radio. No, I was just going to explain. So Catherine West is a Labour backbencher, former minister, who dramatically...

late afternoon told our lovely colleague Ben Wright on Radio 4 that if cabinet ministers didn't move against Keir Starmer, she tomorrow will trigger a leadership contest by running herself. And she was on TV this morning sitting next to Bridget Philipsen with her direct message. And it was a bit awks.

There's nothing stopping Bridget from standing. Why are all the men better than the women? We do need some senior women to step forward and to challenge for what is going to be a really difficult two and a half years between now and the general election and also to take us into that second term. She's really laying down the gauntlet. Bridget Philipsen, what do you say to her? I love you dearly, Catherine, but I just disagree on this one.

Let's hope this isn't as awkward as the encounter between Bridget Philipson and Catherine West, who apparently are friends and they like each other very much. So Catherine West, Henry, tell us about her.

And she does genuinely appear to be acting on her own. She doesn't appear to be doing this at the request of any other leadership contenders. She's been very tight-lipped about who she would like to see. But, you know, this morning her point is this, is that under Keir Starmer, Labour is heading for an absolute disaster and therefore...

They need to pull the plug now, get on with it, stop having this kind of merry-go-round of speculation that has been going on not just since these election results, but frankly for months and months and months. What we don't know yet is whether or not there will be 81 Labour MPs tomorrow who are prepared to put their names to this effort to trigger a contest. There is also the possibility, but I think it is an outside chance, that she will be so wowed by Keir Starmer's big speech tomorrow that she changes her mind.

ja ajattelee, että ei tarvitse tehdä tätä. On myös mahdollisuus, mikä kuitenkin näyttää siltä, että joitakin ihmisiä kabinettissa voi sanoa, että emme voi tehdä tätä. Nyt, kun rakennamme 10.38, kabinetti näyttää minulle, että yksi juniorministeri on ollut hyvin tyhjä, eikä halunnut aloittaa tällä hetkellä.

Mutta siellä on paljon asioita, jotka voivat edelleen tapahtua. Mutta kun puhutaan numeroista, niin minusta suurin kysymys on, onko hänillä todella tuotettavaa takapäätä. Paddy, se on todella vaikea kertoa. Olemme puhuneet melko monta yksilöä eilen, jotta yrittäisimme tutustua. Ja jotkut sanoivat, että hyvä hän. Luulen, että tämä voisi vahvistaa heti. Toiset sanoivat, että joku melko huonosti joutui, että hänillä oli vähemmän mahdollisuutta kuin Spursin vahvistaminen.

rival contenders camps had phoned her and said, please hold off. When the orderly timetable is provided by the chair of the party, we will understand who are the runners and riders. But at the moment, what I am diagnosing is we have a problem. We have to move quickly to fix it, because otherwise it will lead to uncertainty. And we need to install a new leader who can take us towards beating reform in the general election to come and give us a second term. Did that happen though?

Have people tried to put pressure on you from Andy Burnhams? I've had lots of interest, but I haven't actually formally asked for support until I've heard what the prime minister says. And I've got that timetable from the chair of the Labour Party, which will give us all a sense that there is a direction towards the change of the party. Okay, Catherine West, thanks very much indeed for coming in.

Mutta kuten Henry sanoi, minusta se on ihan oikeastaan oikeastaan oikeastaan oikeastaan oikeastaan oikeastaan oikeastaan oikeastaan oikeastaan oikeastaan

Then the election results have happened. Is this the moment? We don't know. As Henry said, it may well be by the end of tomorrow that actually there is a contest ongoing. But right now, the kind of rival camps don't seem to be pushing it to a conclusion. I would say, as I said yesterday when we were recording, that I'm expecting to be a statement from Angela Rayner sometime this afternoon. Mysteriously, it disappeared.

Kafton Westin interventionin aikana. Se taitaa edelleen tulla tänään, mutta katsotaan.

Beware Catherine West. I don't want her looking in on my career. So the prime minister is at work on a speech tomorrow. This is another speech. I just wonder what Keir Starmer is doing in the face of this ultimatum. Well, I mean, you're right. Preparing for a speech tomorrow where he's going to talk about why he wants a closer relationship with the European Union. Not quite sure why Downing Street believes that would be the kind of panacea for

reform voting, Brexit voting parts of the country, but it is the kind of thing that makes some Labour MPs happy. He also, we think he's going to say some more things about social media and kids, which we've been talking about for years, and many campaigners think the government has been incredibly slow on taking any action. The government's also got, we talked about it yesterday, they got the King's speech on Wednesday, which is when they get to trumpet, ha ha ha, the new laws that they want to pass. But I don't think that there are

niin monia ihmisiä, jotka kokeilevat, että Keir Starmer jatkaa keikkiä ja tulee uudelleen uudelleen. Tämä on ongelma, kun pääsee tähän, että ihmisiä, joilla on huolta, on huolta, koska he ajattelevat, että Keir Starmer ei ole tehnyt tarpeeksi hyvää työtä, mutta että hänellä ei ole mahdollisuutta olla erilainen. Ja se on nähtävä takapainossa, se on nähtävä hallituksen näkökulmasta,

It's a view also among increasing numbers of the unions. And, you know, yesterday we had Sharon Graham on the program this morning, who doesn't, well, she won't say if she has a candidate in mind, but she's the boss of Unite, which is a huge union. She's very clear that Keir Starmer can't be the person to take them into the next general election. She also wants new plans and more radical plans from the Labour Party.

But she's very clear that he can't do it. And we spoke to another couple of union leaders yesterday. So Mariam Islamdous, who's the head of the TSSA, and Steve Wright from the Fire Brigades Union. Now they both are of the left of the party and they want to see more radical proposals. But they were also just really clear that Keir Starmer's characteristics and his relationship with the public

Kuten Boris Johnson sanoi, kun hän oli niin ylöspäin, että hän piti mennä, niin hän piti mennä. Lähtökohtaisesti kirjoja ei saa jäädä takaisin, kun Keir Starmer laittaa puheenvuoron, mutta jos olisit Keir Starmerin joukkueessa, olisit tuntunut todella, todella rauhoittavaksi tästä puheenvuorosta. Hän ei ole sellainen, joka on erinomainen oratori. Hän ei ole tietoinen siitä, että hänellä on täydellisiä tavoitteita puheenvuorossa. Jotkut ajan hän voi laittaa kirjoja takaisin keskustelussa.

There was a lot of anxiety about his leadership even back then in the autumn. And actually he then made a speech that was pretty well received. But the idea that you can climb out of the kind of incredible defeat like this with a speech, one speech.