Paola Ramos

Because I think in Trump, they saw power and they saw an entry point into whiteness.

They saw themselves as part of a group because they didn't want to be cast with those other bad immigrants.

They wanted to prove to this Trump world that they were not those bad guys.

So there's

where do you think this leaves latino voters and again i know they're not a monolith but this is really targeted racism i think there's there's like three different scenarios that i see number one i think maybe you can see a similar story to what we saw in arizona under joe arpaio i remember those days of like sb 1070 right where you had this entire generation of latinos that grew up

watching their parents being criminalized and stopped and deported and self-deported.

And then what happened, right?

That generation of Latinos, many of whom were US born or many of whom were dreamers, then became the organizers that helped transform Arizona into a purple state.

And so there's a lot to learn from what happened in Maricopa County.

You can have that scenario.

What I'm also seeing are, and this is a sad part that we never talk about, there is a group of Latinos

Some U.S.

born, many that live in mixed status families that have had enough, that have been living in the shadows, not just under Trump, but also under an Obama administration and a Biden administration and previous Democratic administrations that promise comprehensive immigration reform time and time again.

And I cannot tell you the amount of conversations I've had with people that wake up every day and say, is it time to go?

Do I self-deport or not?

And I follow many of those people that are packing up their bags and choosing to go.

And the sad part is, is that there's something very liberating about saying I've had enough.

And there's something dignified of that choice, at least when it's your choice.

So that's also happening.

And then I think you have the other scenario, which I can sense from organizers that are finally kind of still feel mistrust with both parties, but feel a sense of belonging, in a sense of they're finding their voice in this like anti-Trump world.