Paola Ramos

And I think you kind of see an interesting story there.

When someone's interviewing Latinos, whether you recently arrived here or they're migrants, they're mixed status families, and you ask them, what's one of the first things you do?

When you come to a country that still feels unfamiliar, oftentimes they find a church.

They find a church because it's their way to- Community.

And then what happens inside of those churches completely transforms one.

So of course there's, you know, people find community, they find solidarity, but I have spent so much time in these churches that sort of insert these very problematic pastors

We know that story.

And that then transform, I think, this vulnerability into a political... And I've seen it time and time again.

I spent so much time in the Rio Grande Valley and in Arizona and in California.

I've seen the pastors.

I've been inside those rooms.

And I see the way that they turn this vulnerability into a political message that is all about...

the right and the wrong, all about this fight between good and evil.

And I see the way that that transforms even immigrants into suddenly then seeing their own and being like, well, no, those other immigrants, they're the evil ones.

Are they intentionally targeting?

Yeah, because they can't survive without Latinos.

Now, do they want them in?

That's a different question.

But they know when when Donald Trump launches his evangelicals for Trump.

campaign in 2020.