Papa Mike

And so it was a cutting tool.

It was a weapon.

It was also a beautiful ornament when it was carved and that kind of thing.

So it was highly prized and highly valuable.

And so it was that act of giving that

or that exchanging of that tonga.

I think that sort of tikanga came about, but now I think it's more than acceptable if you want to buy your own, if you want to choose your own panamu.

The way I got around it, though, with my wife is that I said, I want that one, and she said, oh, I want that one, and so we just bought them for each other.

Yeah, that is totally 100%, Matua Mark, because for Ngāi Tahu, they consider Pounamu their ancestor.

They consider it to be a great, great grandparent, if you like.

So for them, that whakapapa of where that rock has come from or that stone has come from, what part of the rohi or the takiwā of Ngāi Tahu did it come from, what part of the river,

All of those things are carried within that panama.

And that's what makes it uniquely ours.

It's what makes it different from Greenstone or Jade that you can get anywhere else in the world because it's ours.

Totally.

Not good.

Not good.

You'll get busted.

You'll go to court and you'll pay $5,000, hopefully a bit more soon.

Papa Mike, good to see you again.