Parker McCollum

and uh he had me hook line and sinker but um yeah he was just you know and they didn't know what they were doing i was i was already kind of selling some tickets and playing some shows and had a band in a van and stuff and and so when it was co what's on the convicts like you know like he was really like kind of leaning on me a little bit just figuring out you know what do you do about an agent or you know touring and all this stuff and so like we kind of learned all of that

together um and we were like the last few like us and flatland and a couple others were like the last ones that really like got in a van and went and toured really hard before you could do like the viral thing on tiktok and social media and stuff so like we kind of had our first good run um very very young and like right before all of that stuff became what it is now like we had social media but

It was not what it is now.

It's just, it just, and we, he's, he says the same thing.

Like he wouldn't have it any other way.

Like we're really grateful to have gotten to do it that way.

People are going to have success, and probably there will be a few that do it that way and have very big, long, successful careers, and there will be a lot of them that don't.

There may be a flash in the pan or whatever, but I don't know.

I never really liked the idea of just blowing up.

I always just kind of wanted to just keep doing it and keep doing it and keep doing it.

You get one day, and you're set, and you're taken care of, and you've built a great career.

It just always seemed like a nice...

Slow and steady.

Yes.

And just, and I always like really genuinely thought about it that way.

Um, and so I think a lot of that comes from, I was kind of forced to do it that way.

And I'm like really grateful for that now.

Um, so he's, that boy's one in a million.

Um, Oh golly, there was,

there was one night I actually wasn't technically a part of this.