Parker Olson

And so I always think like step number one is like,

figure out and like go out and play with some of these code-free tools, right?

Another great tool that I think is a lovely example is Clay.

Clay is just like, there's so much power there.

You can pull in data sources, you can transform data sources with LLMs really easily, and you can create output and it's all code-free.

So does that sort of help sort of like set the scene in terms of like

Like I'm thinking day one, if you want to build a software, like get onto some of these tools that are code free and can help sort of transform data and create an output that can potentially solve a problem.

Totally.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Just one last point on that.

And then we'll go to traction.

I also think a lot of people who are non-technical get caught up and like to spend time on like the visual component or like the user interface or the like front end component.

And it's like, oh, I'm going to like build wireframes in cloud.

And like, that's all great.

Like, like that can be helpful, but like,

I would say really focus on getting like a concrete, like something that's actually being created or happening, right?

My general mental framework is like transforming data to create an output that has value to some audience.

Now to your point, you know, actually gaining traction,

way harder than everybody thinks.