Pat Kenny

And I've always felt unhappy about that.

A bit like sometimes amateur boxing can create the same sort of worries that the winner is not really the winner.

But the judges say he is or she is.

Is the popularity of Irish dancing down to river dance or was there always a kind of a large subculture there?

Because I can recall before river dance, I think way back in the day, I'd go into the Burlington Hotel of a weekend and suddenly I was going in for a cup of coffee or whatever it might be.

But instead, I was assailed by hundreds of young dancers and their parents and all the quaffing and the grooming and all the rest of it and people in the corridor tapping away, practising.

So it's been there even pre-Riverdance, but did Riverdance elevate it to another level?

But then, as I say, when Riverdance came along, it accelerated that process completely.

Now, different styles.

Riverdance, the essence of it was, I remember when Jean Butler danced out there in the point for the first performance of Riverdance,

wearing a very simple outfit which was completely at odds with the traditional kind of bells and whistles outfits they were wearing.

Because they insist, by the way, I know organizationally that it doesn't matter what you wear.

So tell me about the scandal then.

What did you uncover?

And why did people persist in competing and so on when they thought the whole thing was fixed anyway?

And perhaps their dancers had no hope because they weren't on the inside.

Now, because you're able to write about the thing, obviously proof positive emerged and there was investigations.

How do they sanction people and what happened to those people who were found guilty of this?

So where are we today?

Is the same thing still happening in theory?