Pat Kenny

How are you?

I'm very well.

Now, tell me about the graph that you posted, which has perplexed and perturbed many people.

But in 2019, it was only 500.

Now, the kind of things that you encounter, people obviously under the influence of drugs are also consuming drugs.

People who are under the influence of alcohol, you get fighting, you get pickpocketing.

And then something that's really nasty, stone throwing at buses, breaking bus windscreens, stuff like that.

We do get that.

Sometimes you have to withdraw a service because it's too dangerous.

Okay, now I'm looking at the graph, and on the perpendicular axis, and I'm asking people to imagine this now, on the right-hand side, there's a perpendicular axis, and that shows infrastructure and public services composite score.

They do.

Now, that brings its own pressure on the community because they'd be saying it's not our fault.

So the problem being that for many of them, as you say, when they go back to their home place, which is where they want to be, there is no home to go to because it's been destroyed.

Well, it is coming from within your community.

So let the people, the community leaders, try to do something about it.

And that's all the things that we like to have, and a lot of times we don't have here, but they have in other countries.

For others, they may even have difficulty accessing if they have to, for example, cross the Latani River, all the bridges are gone.

And then on the bottom, you have wealth, GDP per capita index.

So there's no going back there.

and we are well up there.