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The prosecution alleged that Monica devised the timeline so that her 16-year-old daughter would come home to find her dad dead. Now, the defense disputes that, and they say, no, no, it just happened that way, you know, because Monica didn't know anything about it.
But the fact is there is some evidence that Monica did plan everything and even detoured her daughter Isabella for a while to go pick up some glasses that she needed, just out of the blue. But still, Isabella got home in time to find her dad. OK, now, Robert Baker is a convicted sex offender, sodomized a 14 year old girl. Excuse me for the harsh description, but it's true.
But the fact is there is some evidence that Monica did plan everything and even detoured her daughter Isabella for a while to go pick up some glasses that she needed, just out of the blue. But still, Isabella got home in time to find her dad. OK, now, Robert Baker is a convicted sex offender, sodomized a 14 year old girl. Excuse me for the harsh description, but it's true.
And it came out in the case. And yet Monica gave him the codes to her home surveillance footage, right? And pin numbers and everything he needed with two teenage daughters in the home, okay? Also, after the murder, there are text exchanges between Monica and her daughters where she is downright emotionless and callous because Isabella is saying, mom, I'm afraid to be home alone in this house.
And it came out in the case. And yet Monica gave him the codes to her home surveillance footage, right? And pin numbers and everything he needed with two teenage daughters in the home, okay? Also, after the murder, there are text exchanges between Monica and her daughters where she is downright emotionless and callous because Isabella is saying, mom, I'm afraid to be home alone in this house.
Please come home. And Monica's responding like, okay. I'm at a comedy club. And what are you guys, a cop? You know, basically. Yeah, absolutely. I'm talking, Deborah. I'm talking days and weeks after this young girl, Isabella, finds her daddy dead. And get this. I got one. I can't I can't keep this from you. On one of the text exchanges.
Please come home. And Monica's responding like, okay. I'm at a comedy club. And what are you guys, a cop? You know, basically. Yeah, absolutely. I'm talking, Deborah. I'm talking days and weeks after this young girl, Isabella, finds her daddy dead. And get this. I got one. I can't I can't keep this from you. On one of the text exchanges.
Remember, Monica is out with Robert through all of this until all hours of the morning, sometimes not even coming home. Isabella is just pleading with her mother to come home, right? And she goes, I'm alive. I'm a human being. You guys aren't even paying attention. I'm so scared to be here by myself. And then she says, Mom, I'm going to make that therapist appointment tomorrow. Deborah, get this.
Remember, Monica is out with Robert through all of this until all hours of the morning, sometimes not even coming home. Isabella is just pleading with her mother to come home, right? And she goes, I'm alive. I'm a human being. You guys aren't even paying attention. I'm so scared to be here by myself. And then she says, Mom, I'm going to make that therapist appointment tomorrow. Deborah, get this.
You know what Monica responds? Okay. Okay, fine. I'm coming home. I'm so disappointed. I'm so disappointed, she says.
You know what Monica responds? Okay. Okay, fine. I'm coming home. I'm so disappointed. I'm so disappointed, she says.
Debra, you're a parent. I'm a step parent. And I love the kids like they were my own. To me, this is what I mean when I say that, you know, jokingly, I say everybody wants to kill their spouse now and then. Right. I say that jokingly. So don't take that as a comment. But when you hear. But there's truth to that. Exactly.
Debra, you're a parent. I'm a step parent. And I love the kids like they were my own. To me, this is what I mean when I say that, you know, jokingly, I say everybody wants to kill their spouse now and then. Right. I say that jokingly. So don't take that as a comment. But when you hear. But there's truth to that. Exactly.
When you hear these young ladies and what their mother had absolutely no regard for their emotional well-being, to me, I said to myself, the jury's going to hate this more than the murder. Now, of course, I'm being slightly facetious because murder is murder, of course. But these girls, Deborah, they don't want to believe their mother is capable of this. And you can understand that.
When you hear these young ladies and what their mother had absolutely no regard for their emotional well-being, to me, I said to myself, the jury's going to hate this more than the murder. Now, of course, I'm being slightly facetious because murder is murder, of course. But these girls, Deborah, they don't want to believe their mother is capable of this. And you can understand that.
No, this is in my, think about, well, I've covered hundreds of trials, right, over all these decades, and this is in my top five. This is in my top five because, Deborah, The reason why I made criminal justice the focus of my career, like you, I've covered everything you can throw at me, right? But criminal justice, particularly when it comes to murder, I'm not interested in the murder.
No, this is in my, think about, well, I've covered hundreds of trials, right, over all these decades, and this is in my top five. This is in my top five because, Deborah, The reason why I made criminal justice the focus of my career, like you, I've covered everything you can throw at me, right? But criminal justice, particularly when it comes to murder, I'm not interested in the murder.
I'm interested in what happened in a person's life that could make them go off the rails like this. to put yourself above every living thing, to be able to construct and craft such a heinous murder of someone that you had two children with.
I'm interested in what happened in a person's life that could make them go off the rails like this. to put yourself above every living thing, to be able to construct and craft such a heinous murder of someone that you had two children with.
I'll put it this way. The prosecution, the detectives even said on the stand, horrible as it may be, we believe that she set it up this way so that someone else besides her would have to be the one the public sees as having found the dead person. That's what the prosecution's trying to say. She put that on someone else to deal with so that she didn't have to be in the spotlight.