Pat Lorden

And that risk is still there because in terrorist financing, the amount of money required to carry out a terrorist attack is quite small.

So the charity regulator needs to be on top of that and needs to be going into the companies and checking them out that they have systems in place to ensure that the money that goes from Ireland to any of these jurisdictions is going to the right place.

And I know there's great work being done by a lot of the bigger charities, but I do worry a little bit about some of the smaller charities that are out there.

They really need to be switched on to the risks that are out there and supply chains that they're purchasing from in some of these countries.

and even people they're employing in some of these countries.

Are they there for a legitimate reason?

Are they for the purpose of terrorist financing?

It gives me hope.

We're up, as a country, we're up for a review by the Financial Action Task Force over the next two years.

And I think it's a great step forward by the Tánaiste and the Minister

to highlight financial crime in particular.

It cannot be removed from the money laundering and money laundering generally.

So I think it's a good step forward.

But the important thing here, we can have a 30-point plan, but we need to have the resources and the technology to deal with it.

So in other words, once I identify you as a money launderer, I need to have the capability of going out, searching your premises and then arresting you, charging and bringing before the court.

And that needs to be done quickly.

And at the moment,

A lot of the cases are taking a little bit longer than they should be.

Yes.

the Economic Crime Bureau and all of the other bureaus would work very, very, very closely with the Criminal Assets Bureau.