Pat Nevin

And every one of them said the same thing.

No leadership, no spirit.

Now, you can say that's the manager or you can say, wait a minute, is this thing working really just now?

So they weren't buying the manager and they're not buying the ideology just now.

So it's not a small problem of Liam Moussini.

If you think that's the problem and you're a Chelsea fan, you're deluding yourself.

It's something much, much bigger and wider than that.

I wouldn't say that.

I think that's a cliche, Alistair.

I really do think it's a cliche that people do say that, you know, but you have to look at the underlying problems.

And a lot of the underlying problems are, you know, why have you not got any leadership on the pitch?

Well, the initial ideology was you get all these young players in.

There's a lot of people saying, well, wait a minute, then where have you got the, you need some people that have been through this all before to help these youngsters come through.

But there doesn't seem to be anyone like that at the club.

And yeah, I mean, I was willing to give it a lot of, a period of time and say, right, okay, this is new.

This is novel.

Doesn't mean because it's novel that it's wrong, but it doesn't look great, does it?

Yeah.

Sammy, can I come back to you on that just for a second?

Sure, sure.