Pat Wright

But she was 20 grand in credit card debt and, you know, had that basically realized at some point that she's going to have to figure out what to do with it.

And she managed to pay it off.

You know, so a lot of really hard work and sacrifices.

And also she had a bit of luck along the way.

It's like, that's the other part of that story as well.

So yeah,

And we had a lot of people, you know, read that story and kind of really related to it.

And yeah, I think a lot of people aren't even at that stage where necessarily they're thinking about what do I do for the future?

They're thinking about what does security look like for me?

How do I pay my bills?

And, you know, how do I pay the rent?

What do I do about, you know, all the fees and things I have to pay?

Like some of the stories we do is we've talked to financial counsellors.

I know you guys have had them on the show as well.

And they basically deal with people who are in financial distress, people who can't pay, have more money kind of going out than coming in.

And they tell stories about people who, you know, it's a really common thing where people basically just get the bills in the mail and don't open them.

So they just pile up.

they don't want to think about it.

And I can really understand, like, you can really understand that if you've got a lot of stress going on in your life and, you know, I can see those stories are really kind of heartbreaking to me as well.

But I guess one thing that I have, one of the great things I get to do as a reporter is talk to some people who have kind of been in those moments, like Tasha, who've had those low moments and also the people that