Pat Wright

and how they got out of it, right?

So, and if you talk to the financial counsellors as well, you can hear some really inspiring stories as well.

So, and I guess, yeah, one thing I would say too is that there is help available.

And yeah, people like the financial counsellors, that's a free service and they do some really good work with people who, you know, are struggling and dealing with some of those issues around debts and things like that.

Yeah.

That's for me, they're some of the most enjoyable stories I write.

Like I get the most out of that.

And, you know, I think they're probably the people that need that, you know, financial education the most or some of that, some of those tips and things that we try to do.

And, you know, and sometimes it's more than just like budgeting as well.

And there's a lot of other things going on in people's lives.

And so, yeah, it's sometimes it's more than, there's not just a quick fix sometimes as well.

Sure.

Well, in terms of resources, I guess one thing that I found really, I really enjoy is like Mr. Money Mustache.

You guys probably know him.

Yeah.

Yep.

Pete in the US.

Yeah.

And you can actually go back like on his website.

And so like 400 and something.