Patric Gagne

Yeah, I think it's a control out of control. You know, I understand that, yes, it must be nice to have guilt, shame, remorse, sort of forcing your hand and things, but it's not fail safe. And I think it's used as a weapon. Yes. I think like anything in moderation, sure. Guilt and shame can be very useful. The problem is it's not ever used in moderation.

Yeah, I think it's a control out of control. You know, I understand that, yes, it must be nice to have guilt, shame, remorse, sort of forcing your hand and things, but it's not fail safe. And I think it's used as a weapon. Yes. I think like anything in moderation, sure. Guilt and shame can be very useful. The problem is it's not ever used in moderation.

Maybe you don't. No, I do. I do because something that's come up a lot recently. is I've written this book, it's out in the world and that's met with a certain expectation of emotion. And everyone's asking, aren't you so excited? Aren't you so excited? And I'm not, I don't connect that way, but I wish that I could.

Maybe you don't. No, I do. I do because something that's come up a lot recently. is I've written this book, it's out in the world and that's met with a certain expectation of emotion. And everyone's asking, aren't you so excited? Aren't you so excited? And I'm not, I don't connect that way, but I wish that I could.

Maybe you don't. No, I do. I do because something that's come up a lot recently. is I've written this book, it's out in the world and that's met with a certain expectation of emotion. And everyone's asking, aren't you so excited? Aren't you so excited? And I'm not, I don't connect that way, but I wish that I could.

And I've used this example of like the kid with her nose pressed up against department store glass. I see what excitement looks like. I see that. Yeah. And I don't, I don't have it. And I wish that I did. I do. Cause it looks like it's It looks like it's really fun at the start of all of this. When I was getting that question a lot and I was having, I had a conversation with my husband.

And I've used this example of like the kid with her nose pressed up against department store glass. I see what excitement looks like. I see that. Yeah. And I don't, I don't have it. And I wish that I did. I do. Cause it looks like it's It looks like it's really fun at the start of all of this. When I was getting that question a lot and I was having, I had a conversation with my husband.

And I've used this example of like the kid with her nose pressed up against department store glass. I see what excitement looks like. I see that. Yeah. And I don't, I don't have it. And I wish that I did. I do. Cause it looks like it's It looks like it's really fun at the start of all of this. When I was getting that question a lot and I was having, I had a conversation with my husband.

I was like, I don't know what to tell you. Like, I'm, I'm just, I don't experience things this way. I don't know how many times, you know, I'm feeling myself wanting to go back to the old space of like, I'm just going to lie and say that I'm excited, but I don't want to do that either. You know? So I made a list. Okay. Well, what are you excited about?

I was like, I don't know what to tell you. Like, I'm, I'm just, I don't experience things this way. I don't know how many times, you know, I'm feeling myself wanting to go back to the old space of like, I'm just going to lie and say that I'm excited, but I don't want to do that either. You know? So I made a list. Okay. Well, what are you excited about?

I was like, I don't know what to tell you. Like, I'm, I'm just, I don't experience things this way. I don't know how many times, you know, I'm feeling myself wanting to go back to the old space of like, I'm just going to lie and say that I'm excited, but I don't want to do that either. You know? So I made a list. Okay. Well, what are you excited about?

Because maybe it's not, you don't have, you can't connect to it on that, you know, sort of large global way, but there are certainly things that are exciting to to you and fellowship was exciting to me. Conversations like this were exciting in that, oh, I get to talk to other people who have

Because maybe it's not, you don't have, you can't connect to it on that, you know, sort of large global way, but there are certainly things that are exciting to to you and fellowship was exciting to me. Conversations like this were exciting in that, oh, I get to talk to other people who have

Because maybe it's not, you don't have, you can't connect to it on that, you know, sort of large global way, but there are certainly things that are exciting to to you and fellowship was exciting to me. Conversations like this were exciting in that, oh, I get to talk to other people who have

interesting things to say and we can align on some things or disagree on other things, but just the idea of being able to have these conversations, this is exciting to me. But I'm never going to be able to have those, or I so far have never been able to experience those sweeping emotions. I'm sort of glad that I'm in a place in my life where all of the milestones are done for a little bit.

interesting things to say and we can align on some things or disagree on other things, but just the idea of being able to have these conversations, this is exciting to me. But I'm never going to be able to have those, or I so far have never been able to experience those sweeping emotions. I'm sort of glad that I'm in a place in my life where all of the milestones are done for a little bit.

interesting things to say and we can align on some things or disagree on other things, but just the idea of being able to have these conversations, this is exciting to me. But I'm never going to be able to have those, or I so far have never been able to experience those sweeping emotions. I'm sort of glad that I'm in a place in my life where all of the milestones are done for a little bit.

Because no matter how many times I tried to tell myself to not have hope, that hope was always right there that maybe this would be the time, this graduation or this wedding or this birth. And it just never was. And I don't carry that disappointment in terms of emotional sense because what are you going to do? But yeah, I would have loved to have had that hallmark moment when my son was born.

Because no matter how many times I tried to tell myself to not have hope, that hope was always right there that maybe this would be the time, this graduation or this wedding or this birth. And it just never was. And I don't carry that disappointment in terms of emotional sense because what are you going to do? But yeah, I would have loved to have had that hallmark moment when my son was born.

Because no matter how many times I tried to tell myself to not have hope, that hope was always right there that maybe this would be the time, this graduation or this wedding or this birth. And it just never was. And I don't carry that disappointment in terms of emotional sense because what are you going to do? But yeah, I would have loved to have had that hallmark moment when my son was born.