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Patric Gagne

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156 total appearances

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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Wednesday 2024

And everything was seen sort of through a very egocentric lens, not in the sense that he was in the wrong, but I think it's a very relatable feeling. If you go in for a big hug and the person doesn't want a big hug, your instant reaction is, oh, I guess she doesn't like me very much. Of course. But I'm just not that person. But I've never been that person. So that was a struggle.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Wednesday 2024

And everything was seen sort of through a very egocentric lens, not in the sense that he was in the wrong, but I think it's a very relatable feeling. If you go in for a big hug and the person doesn't want a big hug, your instant reaction is, oh, I guess she doesn't like me very much. Of course. But I'm just not that person. But I've never been that person. So that was a struggle.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Wednesday 2024

It's you have to take yourself out of this equation. In order for you and I to work, you have to see that you are one type of person. I am one type of person. We love and demonstrate that love very differently. Neither way is right or wrong. It's just different. And if you were expecting that one day you are going to fix me, we should just stop. It's not in the cards.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Wednesday 2024

It's you have to take yourself out of this equation. In order for you and I to work, you have to see that you are one type of person. I am one type of person. We love and demonstrate that love very differently. Neither way is right or wrong. It's just different. And if you were expecting that one day you are going to fix me, we should just stop. It's not in the cards.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Wednesday 2024

It's you have to take yourself out of this equation. In order for you and I to work, you have to see that you are one type of person. I am one type of person. We love and demonstrate that love very differently. Neither way is right or wrong. It's just different. And if you were expecting that one day you are going to fix me, we should just stop. It's not in the cards.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Wednesday 2024

That's why I wrote this book, because there are so many relatable elements to this. And I think that if the sociopathic camp and the non-sociopathic camp could just drop it for a second and get together and sort of talk, you would see how much we could learn from one another. But with David... He did have an argument, but you're doing illegal shit and it's my job to protect you.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Wednesday 2024

That's why I wrote this book, because there are so many relatable elements to this. And I think that if the sociopathic camp and the non-sociopathic camp could just drop it for a second and get together and sort of talk, you would see how much we could learn from one another. But with David... He did have an argument, but you're doing illegal shit and it's my job to protect you.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Wednesday 2024

That's why I wrote this book, because there are so many relatable elements to this. And I think that if the sociopathic camp and the non-sociopathic camp could just drop it for a second and get together and sort of talk, you would see how much we could learn from one another. But with David... He did have an argument, but you're doing illegal shit and it's my job to protect you.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Wednesday 2024

It always came from a place of morality. The things you're doing are immoral and I need to help you stop doing those things. So he had that really effective, logical argument that was tough to push back on. But ultimately, I need to want to stop doing these things for myself.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Wednesday 2024

It always came from a place of morality. The things you're doing are immoral and I need to help you stop doing those things. So he had that really effective, logical argument that was tough to push back on. But ultimately, I need to want to stop doing these things for myself.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Wednesday 2024

It always came from a place of morality. The things you're doing are immoral and I need to help you stop doing those things. So he had that really effective, logical argument that was tough to push back on. But ultimately, I need to want to stop doing these things for myself.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Wednesday 2024

I would not argue with that.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Wednesday 2024

I would not argue with that.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Wednesday 2024

I would not argue with that.

We Can Do Hard Things
I’m a Sociopath: Patric Gagne’s Story

Thank you. I'm so good. How are you guys?

We Can Do Hard Things
I’m a Sociopath: Patric Gagne’s Story

All right, so very simply put, a sociopath is somebody who has difficulty connecting to social emotions, who sees or uses manipulation strategies and destructive behaviors as a sort of maladaptive coping mechanism. And that isn't always understood. I understand that a lot of people, when they talk about sociopathy, it's, oh, sociopaths can't feel.

We Can Do Hard Things
I’m a Sociopath: Patric Gagne’s Story

But the truth is we very much can in that there are inherent emotions associated meaning everyone is born with them. These are things like anger, anticipation, joy, trust, fear, surprise, sadness, disgust. These are inherent. But there is another set of emotions known as the social emotions. Embarrassment, love, shame, jealousy, guilt, empathy. These are learned emotions.

We Can Do Hard Things
I’m a Sociopath: Patric Gagne’s Story

Sociopaths have a harder time connecting to these emotions. In the book, I refer to it as an emotional learning disability because I remember being a kid watching the other kids sort of grasp these emotions instantly. And I didn't, I had a very, very difficult time. It's sort of like needing glasses.

We Can Do Hard Things
I’m a Sociopath: Patric Gagne’s Story

Without my glasses, I'm physically capable of reading, but it's just that sometimes I have to squint. And that's a lot like how I experienced the social emotions. And it can be challenging because I'm not living in a world that's native to me, so to speak. But I also want to clarify that sociopathy is different from psychopathy.

We Can Do Hard Things
I’m a Sociopath: Patric Gagne’s Story

A psychopath is believed to suffer from certain biological impediments that make it impossible for them to move through complex emotional development. So while they can feel those inherent emotions just like everyone else, they are incapable of learning the social emotions, whereas sociopaths are capable and they just struggle.