Patric Gagne

Do you know what I'm saying? Yes. 100% yes to the second part of your question. That is exactly what it is. It wasn't the apathy that was the problem. It was my reaction to the apathy. And that reaction was informed by society telling me, these are the feelings that you're supposed to have. If you don't have these feelings... you are denied entry. Yes.

And to your first question about what is apathy, I've heard it described as, well, isn't that similar to depression? When I've heard people speak of depression, it doesn't sound the same in that apathy, my experience is that the inherent emotions are there. in that I can feel glimmers of sadness and still be apathetic.

And to your first question about what is apathy, I've heard it described as, well, isn't that similar to depression? When I've heard people speak of depression, it doesn't sound the same in that apathy, my experience is that the inherent emotions are there. in that I can feel glimmers of sadness and still be apathetic.

And to your first question about what is apathy, I've heard it described as, well, isn't that similar to depression? When I've heard people speak of depression, it doesn't sound the same in that apathy, my experience is that the inherent emotions are there. in that I can feel glimmers of sadness and still be apathetic.

I can feel glimmers of anticipation and still be apathetic because these are inherent emotions. It's the lack of the social emotions. It's more like all of these feelings may or may not be coming through my periphery and I don't care. It's, I don't have any shame. I don't have any guilt. I don't care. And that's what that feeling of euphoria was when I assaulted that child was I had done this.

I can feel glimmers of anticipation and still be apathetic because these are inherent emotions. It's the lack of the social emotions. It's more like all of these feelings may or may not be coming through my periphery and I don't care. It's, I don't have any shame. I don't have any guilt. I don't care. And that's what that feeling of euphoria was when I assaulted that child was I had done this.

I can feel glimmers of anticipation and still be apathetic because these are inherent emotions. It's the lack of the social emotions. It's more like all of these feelings may or may not be coming through my periphery and I don't care. It's, I don't have any shame. I don't have any guilt. I don't care. And that's what that feeling of euphoria was when I assaulted that child was I had done this.

I committed this act. I had done it in front of tons of people, children and adults. I knew that I was going to get caught for it. And in that moment, what happened was, is I don't care. It's like, I don't care. Yeah, I did it. You know why I did it? Because I don't feel like you guys probably, there's probably something wrong with me. I don't care about that either. It was just this...

I committed this act. I had done it in front of tons of people, children and adults. I knew that I was going to get caught for it. And in that moment, what happened was, is I don't care. It's like, I don't care. Yeah, I did it. You know why I did it? Because I don't feel like you guys probably, there's probably something wrong with me. I don't care about that either. It was just this...

I committed this act. I had done it in front of tons of people, children and adults. I knew that I was going to get caught for it. And in that moment, what happened was, is I don't care. It's like, I don't care. Yeah, I did it. You know why I did it? Because I don't feel like you guys probably, there's probably something wrong with me. I don't care about that either. It was just this...

glimpse of what it would eventually look like to just fully accept myself. I didn't understand that as a kid, but I looking back, I see it now.

glimpse of what it would eventually look like to just fully accept myself. I didn't understand that as a kid, but I looking back, I see it now.

glimpse of what it would eventually look like to just fully accept myself. I didn't understand that as a kid, but I looking back, I see it now.

so much more isolating. Like, are you kidding? And again, kids are smart. We pick up on things. Kids know. And you test the waters. You'll say, I was raised in the Baptist church, so I understood these concepts and what you were supposed to do. And I remember I would try using

so much more isolating. Like, are you kidding? And again, kids are smart. We pick up on things. Kids know. And you test the waters. You'll say, I was raised in the Baptist church, so I understood these concepts and what you were supposed to do. And I remember I would try using

so much more isolating. Like, are you kidding? And again, kids are smart. We pick up on things. Kids know. And you test the waters. You'll say, I was raised in the Baptist church, so I understood these concepts and what you were supposed to do. And I remember I would try using

fake vignettes like well what would you say to somebody who was like this you know and it's like well and then they would give me their full you know download on exactly what they thought how they would interpret someone who didn't feel or didn't have remorse or didn't have shame and it was always evil and devil and these just singular negative words and I remember as a kid not even taking it personally just being like well I won't be telling you anything I'll just

fake vignettes like well what would you say to somebody who was like this you know and it's like well and then they would give me their full you know download on exactly what they thought how they would interpret someone who didn't feel or didn't have remorse or didn't have shame and it was always evil and devil and these just singular negative words and I remember as a kid not even taking it personally just being like well I won't be telling you anything I'll just

fake vignettes like well what would you say to somebody who was like this you know and it's like well and then they would give me their full you know download on exactly what they thought how they would interpret someone who didn't feel or didn't have remorse or didn't have shame and it was always evil and devil and these just singular negative words and I remember as a kid not even taking it personally just being like well I won't be telling you anything I'll just

It was sort of a litmus test of how, where am I in this? And then it was, I would just look around and find the kid that seemed to be getting the most favorable response and just mirror whatever that kid was doing. It was instant. Like almost as soon as I sort of came online in terms of my understanding of how different I was, I also understood I had to manipulate, charm, lie.