Patrick Collins

I mean, they wouldn't have lashed her anyway.

They wouldn't have lashed along with her anyway.

I'd imagine.

But I don't even know if that structure was in place for her.

Do you know?

I mean, you're talking about the 1980s when there was a recession on in Ireland as well at the time and there was loads of people immigrating.

Exactly.

So maybe Sandra's options weren't too...

She painted a picture when she'd come up.

It was all about us, what we were doing.

And, you know, you mentioned Kalala, it might be lost over.

They might have had a row in the car on the way up, which had happened, I'd say, on several occasions.

But once they got to Fortish, it was shut down until they got back.

Yeah.

I'd say she would have said to whoever he was, well, if I go, Anne has to come with me because I have to look after her.

It came, they were like salt and pepper, not compared to them, but they came as a set really.

Yeah.

You know.

About 26, I think.

And I can remember her saying to Mam at the time, because obviously they were devastated, because it was their first grandchild, so they were so excited, naturally.