Patrick Collins

And I just looked at him and I thought, oh, I wish she had more of you in her life, you know?

So if there was anything or anybody listening that knows anything or thinks they know anything or whatever,

just come to us, we're not judgmental, we're not vindictive people or, you know, there's going to be no anger from our side.

Why?

Of course we're frustrated, naturally, we're allowed to be frustrated, but at this point in our lives, we'll understand that circumstances definitely do dictate at the time what happened and maybe at the time you were in a totally different set of circumstances.

in a relationship that was maybe could have been coercive control abuse whatever and now them chains have been set free so I'd ask them to set Sandra free and set us free

Well, so Bridie and Ivan, so Bridie was our aunt, so she was Jo and Francie's sister, our dads.

And they lived in an American town called Ormskirk and they got married in 1970, so May 1970.

So they lived in the same house for almost 52 and a half years.

So anyway, every time they'd come home, Bridie'd say to me, oh love, there's so much stuff in that attic, I need you to come over, which we never did get over, but I need you to come over.

You know, she'd be telling us that all these things was there.

They had no children themselves and we were their kids.

most people get one set of parents we were lucky to get two they were the cool ones that let us do what we wanted and bought us sweets and brought us to the beach and if you had a problem you'd always pick up the phone and ring Brighton Ivan and suss it out with them first before you'd ask mum and dad and they'd be like oh yeah sure it'll be fine and you'd know they'd have your back if mum and dad didn't they'd smooth it over with them

But anyway, I got a phone call from the landlord because obviously he was in rented accommodation and she wanted absolutely and everything out, Nicola.

She even wanted the carpets ripped off the floor.

And I said, well, I don't think that's going to happen somehow.

We'll do our best.

This was how many years ago?

2022, so September 2022.

So just coming up to about four years now.