Patrick Gaspard

And instead we send people who are here under legal protection back into a conflict zone that we have helped to create and exacerbate the conditions for. It's just what's real.

And instead we send people who are here under legal protection back into a conflict zone that we have helped to create and exacerbate the conditions for. It's just what's real.

And instead we send people who are here under legal protection back into a conflict zone that we have helped to create and exacerbate the conditions for. It's just what's real.

Oh, my God. Now it's time. I remember that job.

Oh, my God. Now it's time. I remember that job.

Oh, my God. Now it's time. I remember that job.

Let's start with Governor Whitmer, and then let's go back out to your much bigger question, which I think would be the much more important one. So, on Gretchen Whitmer, if you live in Michigan, you want your governor... to be in direct conversation with the president of the United States. That is always a good thing. That is a necessary thing. We begin there.

Let's start with Governor Whitmer, and then let's go back out to your much bigger question, which I think would be the much more important one. So, on Gretchen Whitmer, if you live in Michigan, you want your governor... to be in direct conversation with the president of the United States. That is always a good thing. That is a necessary thing. We begin there.

Let's start with Governor Whitmer, and then let's go back out to your much bigger question, which I think would be the much more important one. So, on Gretchen Whitmer, if you live in Michigan, you want your governor... to be in direct conversation with the president of the United States. That is always a good thing. That is a necessary thing. We begin there.

Let's recognize, though, that one of the reasons why Governor Whitmer, who I just, I freaking love Governor Whitmer, the reason why she was challenged by many wasn't just because of the meeting.

Let's recognize, though, that one of the reasons why Governor Whitmer, who I just, I freaking love Governor Whitmer, the reason why she was challenged by many wasn't just because of the meeting.

Let's recognize, though, that one of the reasons why Governor Whitmer, who I just, I freaking love Governor Whitmer, the reason why she was challenged by many wasn't just because of the meeting.

But the speech that preceded the meeting, she gave an address where she talked about where we're at right now, and she was seen to be insufficiently critical of Donald Trump and the tariffs and all the stuff that you just delineated before in her address. So that's a part of this where people were like, wait a second, is she kind of acquiescing to a thing here? That's part of the challenge.

But the speech that preceded the meeting, she gave an address where she talked about where we're at right now, and she was seen to be insufficiently critical of Donald Trump and the tariffs and all the stuff that you just delineated before in her address. So that's a part of this where people were like, wait a second, is she kind of acquiescing to a thing here? That's part of the challenge.

But the speech that preceded the meeting, she gave an address where she talked about where we're at right now, and she was seen to be insufficiently critical of Donald Trump and the tariffs and all the stuff that you just delineated before in her address. So that's a part of this where people were like, wait a second, is she kind of acquiescing to a thing here? That's part of the challenge.

At the end of the day, even though you want your governor to be in conversation with the president, you want to have clarity on- who your governor is fighting for and what your governor is trying to solve for. And I think that wasn't altogether clear in the engagement that the governor had. And I'm going to be clear with you, Tim, like I'm a huge fan of the governor.

At the end of the day, even though you want your governor to be in conversation with the president, you want to have clarity on- who your governor is fighting for and what your governor is trying to solve for. And I think that wasn't altogether clear in the engagement that the governor had. And I'm going to be clear with you, Tim, like I'm a huge fan of the governor.

At the end of the day, even though you want your governor to be in conversation with the president, you want to have clarity on- who your governor is fighting for and what your governor is trying to solve for. And I think that wasn't altogether clear in the engagement that the governor had. And I'm going to be clear with you, Tim, like I'm a huge fan of the governor.

I had an opportunity during the last democratic convention to introduce her at this forum around the care economy. And she has been just a, just a bulwark on that issue and on new industrial policy and fighting for democracy and a woman's right to bow your tummy, all the things. So huge fan of the governors.

I had an opportunity during the last democratic convention to introduce her at this forum around the care economy. And she has been just a, just a bulwark on that issue and on new industrial policy and fighting for democracy and a woman's right to bow your tummy, all the things. So huge fan of the governors.