S2 Ep1018: Andrew Weissmann and Patrick Gaspard: Naked Corruption
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Hey, everybody. Real quick announcement. We got a doubleheader today. Just finished it. It's awesome. Andrew Wiseman gives you everything you need to know about Trump asking his DOJ to go after two whistleblowers from his first administration. Just a really chilling announcement. I needed to get Andrew on at the last minute here to make sure you guys had all the info on that. And then we have a new guest, Patrick Gaspard, who is the ED of the DNC a while back. He's done everything really in the Democratic Party. And I thought it was just a really great conversation. So just to make sure to stick around for that. All right. One other scheduling thing. I had some issues juggling a guest for tomorrow's pod because I'm flying to Coachella, as you guys know, taking three days off, not listening to the news, not reading your emails. I'm just enjoying my happy place in the desert. And because I had a guest scheduling issue, we've got we got somebody sitting in tomorrow and it's going to be great. You're in great hands.
So do not skip the podcast tomorrow. You will really enjoy it, I promise. But I had this Catholic guilt that I was abandoning you on a Friday. Instead, I am joining Sarah for the secret podcast. Every Friday, Sarah and JVL have a secret pod that's for Bulwark Plus subscribers only. It's one of the very few things that we do not offer for free. It's just one of the little bonus lanyards for our Bulwark Plus members. So if you need a Friday Dose of Tim, This is your moment to join Bulwark Plus. It's going to be me and Sarah. Just go to thebulwark.com slash subscribe. You can check it out. We're going to talk about our feelings. We're going to vibe out. It'll be great. And I'll be back here, as usual, with Bill Kristol on Monday.
So up next, Andrew Weissman. Hello and welcome to the Bulldog Podcast. I'm your host Tim Miller. He's back. He's a professor of practice at NYU Law School. He was a lead prosecutor on Bob Mueller's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election. And he was chief of the fraud section at DOJ. He co-hosts the podcast Main Justice with Mary McCord and his sub stack is behind the headlines. You figured it out by now. It's Andrew Wiseman. How you doing, Andrew?
Good, good. I am always assuming when you ask that question, you're asking it sort of very limited personal scope, because otherwise, you could go on for a really long time, which is actually the subject of what we're about to talk about.
Yeah, extremely limited personal scope, because otherwise, things are not great when you're kind of like, the unofficial political prosecution correspondent of the board podcast that's like trump goes after a new person i'm like we got to get why we got to add wiseman to the schedule for tomorrow um since uh you know one of these days he might be in the barrel on this uh so you know To use a Roger Stone expression. Yes. Yeah. So, I mean, you know you're on the list. So, the TV lawyers, it's kind of one of those first they came for the TV lawyers and I said nothing type situations possibly. Exactly. Be careful. All right. We wanted to talk particularly about the DOJ side of this, given your experience there.
But for people who have not followed it closely, just a really quick breakdown of what happened. So we have Miles Taylor and Chris Krebs both worked for DHS in Trump 1.0. Taylor was the chief of staff, and he wrote the anonymous op-ed and then the anonymous book. Chris Krebs was in charge of cybersecurity for DHS protecting elections. So they put out an executive order, Trump did, Under the ominous headline, eradicating government betrayal. That'll put a chill down your spine. Eradicating government betrayal. The EOs revoked the security clearances for Taylor and Krebs, but they also revoked any active security clearance held by individuals and entities associated with them, including the University of Pennsylvania.
I don't know why University of Pennsylvania is catching strays. I guess because Miles teaches a class there. With both of them, Trump ordered the DOJ to investigate them. And for Krebs, the DOJ said specifically they wanted a comprehensive evaluation of all of CISA's activities. CISA is the cybersecurity group under DHS that Krebs was heading up.
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