Patrick Gaspard

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I appreciate that you're starting there instead of the liberation from Liberation Day, which I'm sure will... I'm sure we'll get to it at some point.

And I appreciate that you're starting there instead of the liberation from Liberation Day, which I'm sure will... I'm sure we'll get to it at some point.

And I appreciate that you're starting there instead of the liberation from Liberation Day, which I'm sure will... I'm sure we'll get to it at some point.

But look, the South African thing is something that my friends in South Africa are struggling to understand because they are so used to dealing with American politicians, Democrats and Republicans, whose agendas are kind of transparent, that are tied. to these outcomes and trade and security. And they've been responding in a very traditional way.

But look, the South African thing is something that my friends in South Africa are struggling to understand because they are so used to dealing with American politicians, Democrats and Republicans, whose agendas are kind of transparent, that are tied. to these outcomes and trade and security. And they've been responding in a very traditional way.

But look, the South African thing is something that my friends in South Africa are struggling to understand because they are so used to dealing with American politicians, Democrats and Republicans, whose agendas are kind of transparent, that are tied. to these outcomes and trade and security. And they've been responding in a very traditional way.

And it's not working because there was nothing traditional about this. So here's the first thing I'd say. The kind of miracle of Donald Trump as president of the United States in the foreign policy space is that he's managed to collapse the daylight between foreign policy and domestic political constituency.

And it's not working because there was nothing traditional about this. So here's the first thing I'd say. The kind of miracle of Donald Trump as president of the United States in the foreign policy space is that he's managed to collapse the daylight between foreign policy and domestic political constituency.

And it's not working because there was nothing traditional about this. So here's the first thing I'd say. The kind of miracle of Donald Trump as president of the United States in the foreign policy space is that he's managed to collapse the daylight between foreign policy and domestic political constituency.

That's the really important thing to understand about this guy that makes him incredibly different than any president

That's the really important thing to understand about this guy that makes him incredibly different than any president

That's the really important thing to understand about this guy that makes him incredibly different than any president

I think that the only time we've ever had this kind of conflation of domestic politics with foreign policy and this kind of a way that's suffused throughout is under Eisenhower in the McCarthy era, where foreign policy was a servant to domestic politics in a way that just hasn't been since. And so for Trump, that's an important thing to understand.

I think that the only time we've ever had this kind of conflation of domestic politics with foreign policy and this kind of a way that's suffused throughout is under Eisenhower in the McCarthy era, where foreign policy was a servant to domestic politics in a way that just hasn't been since. And so for Trump, that's an important thing to understand.

I think that the only time we've ever had this kind of conflation of domestic politics with foreign policy and this kind of a way that's suffused throughout is under Eisenhower in the McCarthy era, where foreign policy was a servant to domestic politics in a way that just hasn't been since. And so for Trump, that's an important thing to understand.

And why is that relevant in the South African space? Trump's been obsessed with South Africa even before he was actually president. He would post on social media about the rights of Africana farmers.

And why is that relevant in the South African space? Trump's been obsessed with South Africa even before he was actually president. He would post on social media about the rights of Africana farmers.