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Patrick McKenzie

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

I think I have two broad perspectives on this.

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Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

One, people often treat the market cap of something as like implicitly that is some sort of cost on society.

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Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

And I think the true cost to society of crypto has been that anytime one engages in attempting to do productive enterprise, some actor in society has said, okay, I will stake you with some of society's resources, which these resources are rivalrous.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

They cannot be applied to any other things society needs in the hope that you will produce something that is worthy of being staked with this.

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Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

How much have we spent on crypto, not on trading tokens around, but on building infrastructure and spending rival resources that we can't get back, whether that's, you know, GPUs or ASICs or electricity that could have gone to other things in China but went into mining or the time of talented and intelligent people that could have been building other software products but was instead building crypto.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

That number is in the tens of billions or hundreds of billions of dollars.

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Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

What do we have to show for that tens of billions or hundreds of billions of dollars?

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Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

I am very crypto skeptical, and I could give you an answer to that question.

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Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

I think crypto-like fans would not like to hear it from me, so I prefer Vitalik Buterin's articulation of this question from 2017.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

He asked, at the time it was $0.5 trillion, a trivial number, only $500 billion in market cap.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

He said, have we, and I'm paraphrasing a tweet thread, have we truly earned this number?

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Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

How many of the unbanked have we actually banked?

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Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

How many distributed applications have a meaningful amount of value doing something which is meaningful?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

And he has about six other meditations on this.

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Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

And I think, you know, like,

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Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

Crypto folks certainly aren't accountable to me.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

In some manner, you're not even accountable to Buterin, even though he's clearly a leading intellectual in the community.

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Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

You're accountable to producing positive value in the world.

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Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

But what is the answer to Buterin in 2024?

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Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

how many of the unbanked have we truly banked what is the best use case for crypto right now once crypto has a responsive answer for that that is sized anything like proportionate to the hundreds of billions of dollars tens of billions or hundreds of billions of dollars of resources that we've staked crypto with i think crypto people should feel enormously proud of that accomplishment in some future where it hypothetically arrives and in some future where that hypothetically arrives you have my sword i will love your uh your initiative however the