Patrick O'Shaughnessy

The two that stood out to me were I went to camp and I was horribly homesick when I went to camp as a kid.

I can just remember quaking going to it.

And you tell this story about wanting your mom to pick you up and her not showing up.

and then everything with your brother, and the way that you described these two events, it just blew my face off that you were willing to be this honest in the book, but also in a way that so many people that have read the book that I've talked to got them talking about their shit when they were young.

Can you talk about what happened in that camping incident and with your brother and the impact that those two things had on you?

It's the same as always.

Oh, I think it's even worse or more.

How does that manifest today?

I was reading about the original moment of insight around QVC and the two-way interactivity.

You were with probably Sam around the time of ChatGPT.

And I just was stunned.

How did the two compare?

Did it feel of an order of magnitude even greater than the QVC moment of shock?

I want to flesh out some of these components of what I'll call the Barry Diller model for approaching the world.

Not that it's formulaic at all, but some concepts like creative conflict, maybe starting with that and your love of creative conflict.

Talk to me about what that means and how it manifests and why it's so valuable.

Interesting things happen after that.

The notion of spark and edge being things that you were searching for in the people that might be in that room really interested me.

Spark, I think I understand.

How would you think about edge?