Patrick O'Shaughnessy

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Can you tell me about the baseball card business that you built in high school?

And I'm curious about it because I always wonder where the initial spark comes from.

You mentioned the importance of passion and that you just fell in love with energy markets.

I'm curious to trace why you were entrepreneurial in the first place, what the formative things were, maybe where a chip on your shoulder came from to the extent there was one in hearing about that business, but then also hear the story between that and the discovery of passion for the energy market specifically.

It takes that work and intensity.

Can you describe the actual instruments that you were trading when you were trying to put positions on and take them off?

What were those positions?

What were they in on average?

And I want to get into some of the nitty gritty details just to give people a sense of

how far you had to go to get an edge in this world as an analogy for how far you have to go to get an edge in anything.

This was the thing you enjoyed.

And I want to come back to why you were so passionate about it in the first place.

But what were you literally trading in those days?

That's what I was trading.

So in a given day, how much volume and activity would there be?

How many key decisions would you make in a given day?

Maybe for those that are less initiated in the act of market making, just describe what it does, how you're provisioning liquidity for the market.

Also, why you're able to cover some of your tracks by being that player in the market.

It strikes me as someone that looks at a lot of young companies that it is exciting.