Patrick O'Shaughnessy

But the central theme of this episode is that we should be as generous and as unique as possible.

you will hear us refer to his latest book excellent advice for living throughout and i highly recommend reading it if you haven't already please enjoy this great conversation with kevin kelly

Kevin, I joke before we hit record here that I've been preparing for this conversation for years, having read, I think, probably all your books and loved your thinking on technology.

Maybe we'll talk about technology today as it relates to your new book, but I just have so enjoyed the pithy, simple, beautiful ideas in your latest book.

And I wanted to start with one in particular, which maybe you could spend the whole hour on because it's kind of my favorite idea, which is your goal is to be able to say on your deathbed that you have become fully yourself.

I have thought about this idea through the Joseph Campbell lens, through a million lenses, almost on a daily basis for 15 years.

And I want to take this idea extremely seriously with you and hear your take on this beautiful idea to open our conversation.

When did you awake to the idea yourself?

What was the first time that you thought, oh, this is a quest that I could be on for myself.

And now I'm curious about who I am and how I might become that fully.

But I think it's helpful if we can articulate it that way.

If you had found and taken this idea really seriously, like really internalized it when you were 30, what would you have done differently, do you think, if anything?

Like how would your behavior have changed?

It's a great question.

I have sort of a wild follow-up question.

So I'm an investor and my focus is on investing in people that are doing what we call their life's work.

And our definition is very simple.

It's a lifelong quest to build something for others that expresses who you are.

And we were wondering, like, what are the natural limits of this?

Steve Jobs clearly was doing his life's work and look at the impact that it's had.