Patrick O'Shaughnessy

I absolutely love that idea.

How do you think about money?

I think thoughts so much about work and self-expression and all these things and not following others' definition of success.

You already said money is like the number one definition of success, maybe that we've all accepted because it's a common unit.

Say everything you can about money, the concept, the thing, how you relate to it.

Basically, it's a burden.

Because it ends up owning them or for some other reason?

I'd love to talk about the relationship between creation and imagination.

I wonder if in your experience, people are sort of naturally endowed with like a level of imagination or if it's way more changeable that I can do things to expand my imagination because it seems so much like the people that I admire the most are creative and creators.

Like they're manifesting something.

Maybe that's their form of self-expression like we talked about earlier, but that requires tremendous imagination.

Where do you think that comes from?

Can you cultivate it?

So imagination, cultivating it is like an exercise in subtraction, not addition.

Like it's not a blank canvas.

That's what I would have said.

It's like a painter at a blank canvas.

No, it's like a sculptor.

It's like removing stuff.

I'd love a case study in imagination.