Patrick Wintour

And the difference between a toll and the fee is that a toll would be compulsory and it would be as described, but whilst a fee for services would be...

perhaps more tolerable.

But I don't think, as far as I understand it, I don't think most countries are going to tolerate a fee for services because they don't really trust Iran in that regard.

And, you know, if there hasn't been a requirement to pay a fee in the past, why should there be now?

Yes, I mean, that's certainly part of the agreement.

So the Iranian blockade, which is in effect in place, would be lifted.

And at exactly the same time, the US blockade, which is on Iranian ports, would be lifted.

And alongside that, the frozen Iranian assets would be released.

And one of the arguments going on present is how many assets and to what value, because there's as much as 12 billion pounds of

Sorry, not pounds in Qatar, for instance, that would be released.

And that's an extraordinary thing for Iran to be able to achieve.

I mean, they would therefore be reopening a strait that was previously open in return for the release of $12 billion.

When, if you remember, 11 weeks ago, Donald Trump was saying the only solution to this would be Iran's unconditional surrender.

We're miles away from that.

As it stands, if it ends up the deal that we're discussing at present, it's an ignominious defeat for America.

because they didn't ultimately think through how they were going to win this war.

Well,

No, because one of the arguments going on is about the war in Lebanon, which is really in effect about Iran trying to ensure that one of its proxies, Hezbollah, is defended.

And really, what we will see is a return to diplomacy, which is what we were having in mid-February before this war started.

And there are ways in which Iran will