Patrick

And I looked at the date and it was sometime in May or June of...

98 and i thought you would have gone up there now on your own probably on the bus you'd have gone in there and seen all the mums with the husbands and the hobbies and that i'm holding their hands and she'd gone in on her own had to have had the scan come home clutching that picture and then be praying

that prayer every night i'm sure she probably said it beforehand but i just thought it was so poignant it was stuck within the scan photograph was stuck within on the the prayer book and then there was a card it was a get well card and it said anne was in hospital and it said to anne um wishing you a speedy recovery lots of love always sandra and i thought we went oh there you go there you go lots of love always and it wasn't reciprocated was it in your mind

Emotionally, she wasn't able to cope with it, as you say.

She wouldn't be able to, do you know?

And I suppose you hear about people, like couples, and they say, oh, a baby will fix the marriage or whatever the case may be.

Maybe she thought a baby would be just what

the doctor ordered in as regards to their circumstances.

Yeah, it'd be just wonderful and they'd raise it and she'd, but you see I think Anne was jealous as well because she was married herself you see and it went pear-shaped because she got sick and she couldn't have children.

She had loads of miscarriages so how could, how dare, how dare Sandra have a baby?

Just who did she think she was to have a baby?

She'd be too toxic, like.

And she was so young.

She was, what, 26 when she had her, yeah.

And then I only found out then, like, a couple of years ago, really, her friends told me that before she had her adopted life, that she would walk to the house where the woman that was minding her... She was in foster care.

She was in foster, yeah.

And she'd stand on the road, and the woman would bring her to the window just to get a glimpse of her.

every single day after dinner, after she'd given in her dinner.

So that was her jaunt out the Balnair Road.

She called for her friends and they would go and she would stand for ages on the road.