Patti Johnson

So yeah, there are different levels.

And what your life looks like does look a little different at those different levels.

And I think it's useful to understand what they look like.

There's sort of two components to this that you're talking about.

One is just the level that you are assigned based on

the scores that you give yourself, and score is probably the wrong word for it, maybe like rating or numbers or whatever, but basically when you go through and you take the navigator survey, what happens is you're asked to which statement in each section is the one that you identify with most.

So it's easier to talk about both

where you are and where you want to go.

And did you feel like you, did you feel like you knew what path you wanted to take or did you feel like you were just more aware of the past and like maybe better able to make a decision when you needed to?

Yeah.

That seems so important to be honest.

Like you really want to know like whether the thing you're doing is even the thing that you want, you know, like these are sort of fundamentals.

And we, I think often we assume that the thing that we're striving for is the thing that we're doing that because we want it.

But if we don't know what that thing actually looks like, we can get there and be like, Oh,

Well, I think it depends on your goals, right?

Like if your goals, and I think that this is part of what we're talking about, right?

Like the goal for all of us is not necessarily, I want to get into the Whitney Biennial.

I want to make a living off my art, like all these things.

The goal may simply be, I want to be the best artist I can be.

And what does that look like for me?