Patti Johnson

And it's very easy also to slip into language that it feels not aligned with the art world and more aligned with the wellness world.

And so when we try to position the work, I think finding the words to do so is a real challenge.

That's part of the challenge.

Inside the membership, there's a diagram and workbook that William Pohida developed that has like a triangle that identifies, you know, sort of different important points in the narrative and how you can flesh that out.

So it kind of gives you a framework under which to build the language that you need.

Yeah.

You know, it's really I just find it so fascinating that the parts of the assessment that that really resonated for you are also happen to be the parts of the assessment that are sort of things that we are like I'm working on publicly now.

I'm going to be doing a live public talk on developing narratives and how that plays out inside of events like the biennial, where career narratives tend to play a little bit more prominently, which makes sense because inside of biennial or inside of institutions, part of the role of curators is to contextualize art.

and the biography and narrative of the artist so that people understand where the art is originating from.

And I think that's such a, like, that's one of the reasons that we wanted to develop that, but it's also very much tied into also not just understanding where, like,

what your narrative is, but like how to understand your position inside the world, like what part it, because it's informed by your values, your interests, but also like where you're positioning yourself inside the professional world, what part of the professional industry are you interested in?

Anyway, so that's happening.

It'll be totally free as usual.

So if you're interested in listening, just keep your eye on the podcast because we'll be announcing more details soon.

And Maggie, I want to thank you for coming on the show and just like chatting about your experience.

All right.

Well, thank you so much, Maggie.

All right.

Yes, absolutely.

Bye-bye.