Paul Bissonnette

Olivier.

A guy who can play, but also instills fear in his opponents.

Some size, some meat on that fourth line.

And it kind of turned with... Especially Detroit was the first team to really turn in the Babcock era where they didn't have a tough guy.

They didn't have...

a lot of physicality and toughness on their fourth lines.

After that, there was a... Like when they won, when they beat us in 08.

The Ablicators.

yeah, but yeah.

Okay.

Maybe more.

So it's gotten even softer, but that, that once the, the, the Maltby Draper McCarty era ended in Detroit, it really felt like when Babcock came in, there wasn't a lot of that, like that, that toughness to instill.

It was more about pace using all four lines guys.

He was comfortable with once again, I think like drew Miller was a fourth liner there when we were playing in those, in those series against them.

But yeah,

Another thing, too, boys, is as much as I love him and he's a legend, his first Ballot Hall of Famer, greatest American-born player of all time, but is Patrick Kane still on your roster next year in your top six?

What I'm saying is like, all right, well, it's... I know what you're saying.

I don't know what serious cup contender has Patrick Kane in their top six.

Well, they're just trying to make the playoffs.

I get that, but...