Paul Clitheroe

So what you need is you need at a leadership level, you need at a leadership level, which of course I think is a federal and state level, at a leadership level,

You need people to stop just saying, look, we know it's important, but pragmatically, how do we actually get this happening in the classroom?

And it's going to take time, commitment, and money.

And that's why organizations like Extra, which I've chaired since its inception, and I'm very delighted, James, that you joined us as a director last year with all your skills,

you know, pro bono roles there, which I think is also really helpful and important.

I should have said that.

Yes.

Loud and clear.

Oh, everything is pro bono.

It's all pro bono.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think around financial literacy, that makes a fair bit of sense to me.

So basically what we need is a bit like the Gillard government, at least saying, look, we're going to make this commitment to training.

So it's a many stage process.

Now, how do we bluntly people like you and I, we're just individuals in the community.

I really feel it would really help no end because this is not an arguing point.

Everyone agrees kids should be given financial assistance.

This is not a debate about capital gains tax.

This is not even a debate.