Paul Conti

So we're up close and all we see is the negative.

I mean, it's easy then to get classically nihilistic, but by helping someone take a step

and to see who they are and what's in them, that's how people get better and it's how people re-engage in life.

No, it makes, look, I think it makes good, it makes good sense to me.

I think you're trying to get at like, do we need trauma?

And like, and how are we defining it, right?

Because we say trauma, hardship, difficulties.

I mean, we could set aside, we could set apart, say, and differentiate things that are difficult, but that are overcomable.

Versus things that we could use trauma, the word trauma this way, if we chose to, that are just like entirely negative.

Like someone saying, oh, you can't do that and you'll never succeed because, well, and then they tell you something about yourself.

Because you're from here or you're this race, religion, whatever it is, right?

We think, well...

That could make someone say, hey, I'm going to show you, I'm going to overcome.

But then they're overcoming something bad.

There's nothing good or helpful about that, if someone's saying that.

So the person has to overcome it.

That's different than something that is placed in front of a person where...

The whole conception of it is something positive that you can make through effort, right?

So, you know, I remember, I don't know, I think I was 15 years old.

There was some rule, like, where you could then go, I don't think it was picking raspberries or blueberries, right?