Paul Hawken

And that is, if you see the world as it is, more like it is than what we believe it is, it changes you. I mean, Carving the Book of Life isn't a solution. It's not trying to change anything other than present the possibility of you seeing yourself in a different way. And through wonder, through a sense of...

oh my gosh i i never knew or how could that be or really a bat flew into my uh room last night you know where we were sitting so beautiful going in circles going in circles going in circles we're the only country in the world to think bats are are bad you know culture everywhere else in the world they're sacred they're and this is sacred beautiful beautiful bat going round and round.

oh my gosh i i never knew or how could that be or really a bat flew into my uh room last night you know where we were sitting so beautiful going in circles going in circles going in circles we're the only country in the world to think bats are are bad you know culture everywhere else in the world they're sacred they're and this is sacred beautiful beautiful bat going round and round.

oh my gosh i i never knew or how could that be or really a bat flew into my uh room last night you know where we were sitting so beautiful going in circles going in circles going in circles we're the only country in the world to think bats are are bad you know culture everywhere else in the world they're sacred they're and this is sacred beautiful beautiful bat going round and round.

And of course, I went to the other room and opened up a door and it, you know, it went away. But it was just like, it felt like a blessing to me as opposed to, oh, my God, there's a bat in the room. Of course, there's a bat in the room. Isn't that extraordinary?

And of course, I went to the other room and opened up a door and it, you know, it went away. But it was just like, it felt like a blessing to me as opposed to, oh, my God, there's a bat in the room. Of course, there's a bat in the room. Isn't that extraordinary?

And of course, I went to the other room and opened up a door and it, you know, it went away. But it was just like, it felt like a blessing to me as opposed to, oh, my God, there's a bat in the room. Of course, there's a bat in the room. Isn't that extraordinary?

Well, I mean, it's a perfect description. And I would say the Chinese, Xi Jinping, will not decide the future. Nature will decide all of our futures. That's going to be, they're the decision, it's the decision maker of whether we survive or not survive, whether we live well and beautifully and, you know, or don't in warlike conditions. So your question is, well, where do we go to from here?

Well, I mean, it's a perfect description. And I would say the Chinese, Xi Jinping, will not decide the future. Nature will decide all of our futures. That's going to be, they're the decision, it's the decision maker of whether we survive or not survive, whether we live well and beautifully and, you know, or don't in warlike conditions. So your question is, well, where do we go to from here?

Well, I mean, it's a perfect description. And I would say the Chinese, Xi Jinping, will not decide the future. Nature will decide all of our futures. That's going to be, they're the decision, it's the decision maker of whether we survive or not survive, whether we live well and beautifully and, you know, or don't in warlike conditions. So your question is, well, where do we go to from here?

It's a great, great question. First of all, I do not in any way, I'm not an anti-people person, nor do I go around decrying or criticizing how people are living. That's not my job. That's not my role.

It's a great, great question. First of all, I do not in any way, I'm not an anti-people person, nor do I go around decrying or criticizing how people are living. That's not my job. That's not my role.

It's a great, great question. First of all, I do not in any way, I'm not an anti-people person, nor do I go around decrying or criticizing how people are living. That's not my job. That's not my role.

uh that's not how i feel and so what people doing you know in china or any other group you know is doing what people have always done they've tried to take care of their family to feed their children to be warm to be safe you know these are basic human needs and they're not being met by the way i would say five Over 5 billion people wake up every morning with threatened.

uh that's not how i feel and so what people doing you know in china or any other group you know is doing what people have always done they've tried to take care of their family to feed their children to be warm to be safe you know these are basic human needs and they're not being met by the way i would say five Over 5 billion people wake up every morning with threatened.

uh that's not how i feel and so what people doing you know in china or any other group you know is doing what people have always done they've tried to take care of their family to feed their children to be warm to be safe you know these are basic human needs and they're not being met by the way i would say five Over 5 billion people wake up every morning with threatened.

They wake up and they're worried about food, safety, security, education, health, work, money, their home. I mean, the list goes on, you know, the current existential threat. And what the climate movement has done for years is talk about future existential threat. Well, that doesn't really help people. They need to be served now. They didn't determine the world that they got born into.

They wake up and they're worried about food, safety, security, education, health, work, money, their home. I mean, the list goes on, you know, the current existential threat. And what the climate movement has done for years is talk about future existential threat. Well, that doesn't really help people. They need to be served now. They didn't determine the world that they got born into.

They wake up and they're worried about food, safety, security, education, health, work, money, their home. I mean, the list goes on, you know, the current existential threat. And what the climate movement has done for years is talk about future existential threat. Well, that doesn't really help people. They need to be served now. They didn't determine the world that they got born into.

They weren't part of the decision-making process. And so they will reach towards the resources that are available to them and educate themselves and do whatever they can to make a better life. Okay, let's step back from that for a minute. Is there then the question back to you, can we provide human needs? Human wants, we'll put that aside for a minute. Okay. Desires, that's different.