Paul Hawken

Put the Tesla side or Elon Musk aside, The batteries have cathodes and anodes, of course, in storage. Cathodes made of what? I mean, what do we make it out of? Well, we make it out of cobalt. Where does the cobalt come from primarily? The Congo. What's happening in the Congo? Well, besides war, Paul Kagame and Rwanda, there's different armies, but children...

Put the Tesla side or Elon Musk aside, The batteries have cathodes and anodes, of course, in storage. Cathodes made of what? I mean, what do we make it out of? Well, we make it out of cobalt. Where does the cobalt come from primarily? The Congo. What's happening in the Congo? Well, besides war, Paul Kagame and Rwanda, there's different armies, but children...

are the miners in the Congo for cobalt, for our batteries, for our Tesla. And they're digging holes, really, with no pit stops, nothing to prop up the land or the soil. Tunnels to go in and bring out carbon. Children being buried alive. These are six years old, seven years old, eight years old. This is for our Teslas. And any other thing? With all due respect, yeah. I'm not Elon musking this.

are the miners in the Congo for cobalt, for our batteries, for our Tesla. And they're digging holes, really, with no pit stops, nothing to prop up the land or the soil. Tunnels to go in and bring out carbon. Children being buried alive. These are six years old, seven years old, eight years old. This is for our Teslas. And any other thing? With all due respect, yeah. I'm not Elon musking this.

are the miners in the Congo for cobalt, for our batteries, for our Tesla. And they're digging holes, really, with no pit stops, nothing to prop up the land or the soil. Tunnels to go in and bring out carbon. Children being buried alive. These are six years old, seven years old, eight years old. This is for our Teslas. And any other thing? With all due respect, yeah. I'm not Elon musking this.

I'm just electric car, an EV. And other batteries. Or iPhone.

I'm just electric car, an EV. And other batteries. Or iPhone.

I'm just electric car, an EV. And other batteries. Or iPhone.

No, yeah. Absolutely right. And like I said, I wasn't trying to demonize Tesla. I was just trying to... give an example because it's so ubiquitous now as an EV. But the point being is nobody thinks about that. Nobody feels that. Nobody would want to do that. Of course, find me a person on the street and say, yeah, I want children to basically die getting cobalt for my cathode on my battery.

No, yeah. Absolutely right. And like I said, I wasn't trying to demonize Tesla. I was just trying to... give an example because it's so ubiquitous now as an EV. But the point being is nobody thinks about that. Nobody feels that. Nobody would want to do that. Of course, find me a person on the street and say, yeah, I want children to basically die getting cobalt for my cathode on my battery.

No, yeah. Absolutely right. And like I said, I wasn't trying to demonize Tesla. I was just trying to... give an example because it's so ubiquitous now as an EV. But the point being is nobody thinks about that. Nobody feels that. Nobody would want to do that. Of course, find me a person on the street and say, yeah, I want children to basically die getting cobalt for my cathode on my battery.

I mean, nobody wants that. But we are in a system that's doing that. And it's once, twice, thrice, four times, five times removed from any possibility of awareness or connection. This is what I mean by we're so violently disconnected from each other, from place, from what we buy, what we eat, the farms, what's happening on the farms. And so forth. And that's the state of the world.

I mean, nobody wants that. But we are in a system that's doing that. And it's once, twice, thrice, four times, five times removed from any possibility of awareness or connection. This is what I mean by we're so violently disconnected from each other, from place, from what we buy, what we eat, the farms, what's happening on the farms. And so forth. And that's the state of the world.

I mean, nobody wants that. But we are in a system that's doing that. And it's once, twice, thrice, four times, five times removed from any possibility of awareness or connection. This is what I mean by we're so violently disconnected from each other, from place, from what we buy, what we eat, the farms, what's happening on the farms. And so forth. And that's the state of the world.

And so in that, you have these narratives about fighting, tackling, combating climate change. And for me, and I have to say, I'm just like aghast at that language. because it's the same mindset that is causing and has caused the situation we're in today. Very male language, I might say, very gendered language. Fixing is another one of those. I love to fix things.

And so in that, you have these narratives about fighting, tackling, combating climate change. And for me, and I have to say, I'm just like aghast at that language. because it's the same mindset that is causing and has caused the situation we're in today. Very male language, I might say, very gendered language. Fixing is another one of those. I love to fix things.

And so in that, you have these narratives about fighting, tackling, combating climate change. And for me, and I have to say, I'm just like aghast at that language. because it's the same mindset that is causing and has caused the situation we're in today. Very male language, I might say, very gendered language. Fixing is another one of those. I love to fix things.

I think that's okay, better than okay. But you don't fix something You actually find out who you are and where you live and how this earth works. And that is missing from the dialogue. And even when we use the word biodiversity, what does that mean? I mean, it's code word. Of course, we do know what it means, but we don't.

I think that's okay, better than okay. But you don't fix something You actually find out who you are and where you live and how this earth works. And that is missing from the dialogue. And even when we use the word biodiversity, what does that mean? I mean, it's code word. Of course, we do know what it means, but we don't.

I think that's okay, better than okay. But you don't fix something You actually find out who you are and where you live and how this earth works. And that is missing from the dialogue. And even when we use the word biodiversity, what does that mean? I mean, it's code word. Of course, we do know what it means, but we don't.