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Paul Kudrowski

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
457 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

It'll be populated.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

There'll be rental income flowing back from it because that's what they want.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

Think of it like interest on a debt note, that there'll be interest flowing back because people are paying for hourly usage of these GPUs and that flows back to me as a partial owner of this data center.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

And that's what I'm looking for, a stake in that rental income, no different than having a stake in a note that I've extended to someone else in the form of debt.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

So now I have multiple people participating, in part because their interests are aligned, but also from the standpoint of these individual public companies, because I don't have to roll it up into my income statement if I control less than 50% of it.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

So that's a really important proviso that...

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

I want de facto control because I'm actually using it and benefiting from it.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

But from a legal standpoint, I don't want legal control because then that flows back and I have to deal with it from the standpoint of my credit rating in terms of the leverage, the amount of debt I have on my balance sheet against my equity, and all of these things that are really mundane and boring, but matter immensely to CFOs.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

So from their standpoint, the idea of partnering with a large private credit firm to create these bespoke,

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

Special purpose vehicles that are these one-off vehicles that we all sign up for and we join in and the data center gets created.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

They're great because now I get what I wanted, which is a new data center, and I don't get what I didn't want, which is a hit to my credit rating.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

And so there's a huge incentive to create these and create more, especially given that we're already at these historical limits in terms of the amount of spending we're already making.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

So there's a huge incentive to put it somewhere else.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

Yeah, so not to go full hedge fund, but if you think about it in terms of the companies that have really benefited, they're in construction, they're in air conditioning.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

So for like Carrier, for example, and think about them as being, if I'm building out industrial class air conditioning for giant data centers at an unprecedented scale, what business would I really like to be in?

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

I want to be selling them air conditioning because cooling those buildings is a huge problem.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

And it's great if I'm an industrial provider of industrial air conditioning, for example.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

So these are the kinds of companies that aren't as obvious, but are huge beneficiaries of this build out.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

So leaving aside you and I as beneficiaries from AI, think about the construction providers, architectural providers.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

Think about the carriers of this world and the air conditioning providers and all of these people whose products end up helping turn a