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Paul Kudrowski

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
457 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

There is no reward for spending money.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

If I'm a large private equity firm, if I'm any kind of large capital allocator, anywhere else but in data centers, which is why if you watch the announcements from places like BlackRock or from Blue Owl or from any of the large private equity firms or private debt providers, the thing that they're making the most noise about and are most excited about are these giant multi-billion dollar checks they're writing towards data centers.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

And so, again, the same phenomenon.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

If I'm a small manufacturer and I'm hoping to benefit from the onshoring of manufacturing as a result of tariffs, it's leaving aside whether they're good or bad economic policy, but I want to benefit from it.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

So I go out trying to raise money with that as my thesis.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

The hurdle rate just got a lot higher, meaning that I have to generate much higher returns because they're comparing me to this other part of the economy that will accept giant amounts of money, huge checks I can write for this to data centers.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

And it looks like the returns are going to be tremendous because look at what's happening in AI and the massive uptake of open AI.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

So I end up inadvertently starving a huge slice of the economy yet again, much like what we did in the 1990s.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

Yeah.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

And it's even more insidious than that.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

And this requires some inside baseball.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

And it's insidious because let's say you're Derek's giant private equity firm and you control, I don't know, let's say you've got $500 billion burning a hole in your pocket.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

What do you not want to do?

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

I do not want to allocate that money, one $5 million check at a time to a bunch of manufacturers, because all I see is a nightmare of having to keep track of all of these little companies doing who knows what and everything else.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

What would I like to do?

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

I'd like to write $30, $50 billion checks.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

I'd like to write a small number of huge checks.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

And this is a dynamic in private equity that people don't understand, that capital can be allocated in lots of different ways.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

But the partners at these firms do not want to write a bunch of small checks to a bunch of small manufacturers, even if the hurdle rate is competitive, even if they're operating at a level where they can compete against what the perceived return is.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

on data centers because i'm a human i don't want to sit on 40 boards right and so you have this other perverse dynamic this other perverse dynamic that even if everything else is equal it's not equal so we've we've put manufacturers who might otherwise benefit from the onshoring phenomenon at an even worse position in part because of the internal dynamics of capital