Paul Osborne

in a way that was quite intelligent and thoughtful.

Her interview afterwards, she really held herself accountable to the comments that she had made.

I think she recognized a part of her character that she didn't like.

but she knew it was her and she knew it was her behavior.

And I think when she decided to do Big Boss, that was a chance for her to, in the environment that she was very used to being in, a chance for her to show the other side of her and to show accountability for her wrongs, essentially.

No, I don't think anyone knew.

I mean, I think there was definitely a buzz around it, hence the newspapers and the plane.

And it wasn't big in the first instance as well.

I can't remember, it was getting like two million viewers maybe, which I think was quite big for Channel 4 at the time.

But it steadily built and steadily built as people sort of became familiar with the format.

And then I think, obviously, Nasty Nick, Nick Bateman's role was what blew it up.

I remember at that time as well, even that first series was streaming on the internet.

That was relatively new as well, to a certain extent.

People didn't, you know, you didn't have smartphones in your hand.

I got a lot of texts from people during the build-up with Nick that sort of indicated that people were very, very interested in what was happening and couldn't wait until the show.

You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

I think that it's interesting when you think about the reason that

Nick Bateman became such a kind of like villain figure was because he was cheating.

And he wasn't playing fair.