Paul Spoonley

No, no.

And I wouldn't want to catastrophize at all, but it's coming up.

It's part of what we're going to look like in the future.

So why don't we talk about it and make the appropriate policy decisions?

No, no.

I can't find anywhere in the world that has reversed fertility decline.

And the options are amazing.

And I think I've mentioned to you before, Mike, in Hungary, you get 25% reduction on your personal income tax liability with each child.

For children, no income tax.

Doesn't make any difference.

It does get worse potentially.

I think we should have a discussion about immigration.

We should talk about who we want and we need to talk about the numbers because increasingly immigration is the only or the major factor in population growth and as you've mentioned in terms of labour supply in this country.

So let's have an adult conversation about this.

Let's not descend to

you know, pointing fingers or making jokes or, you know, this is a serious issue.

So I think we should all be involved and interested in this debate and let's try and keep it up.

That's right.

No, it's a pretty impressive number.

I do think AI and technology will reduce that number.