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Pavel Durov

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1770 total appearances

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

And that's why we have always been very

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

careful when hiring people.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

I would only hire a person if I'm ultimately certain it's the best option.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

If you hire somebody who is maybe a little bit distracted, unexperienced,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

you may end up with inefficiencies in your code base that results in tens of millions of dollars of losses.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

And think about the responsibility.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

If we jump to today from the VK days, Telegram is used by over a billion people.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

They open it dozens of times every day.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

Imagine the app opens with a slight delay, say, half a second delay, multiplied by dozens of times by a billion.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

It's centuries, millennia lost for humanity without any reason.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

other than just being sloppy.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

Oh yes, because when you...

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

manage to discover a way to simplify things, make them more efficient, you feel incredibly happy and proud and accomplished.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

And to your point, I can recall a few instances in my career where firing an engineer actually resulted to an increase in productivity.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

Say you have 200 engineers building their app and then

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

they just can't make it.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

They're not keeping up with the pace of the feature release schedule.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

And you think, I probably have to hire a third one.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

But then you notice that one of them is really weird, falling behind the schedule, complaining some of the time, doesn't assume responsibility.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

And you ask, so what if I just fire this person?