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Pavel Durov

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1770 total appearances

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

But it was not easy to assemble a team of artists slash artists, artists slash engineers, I would say, that are able to do something like this.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

This is a unique form of art.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

And this allowed us to do a revolution in stickers, then another revolution in animated emoji that you can add into messages, custom animated emoji.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

I don't think anybody did that.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

I think Telegram is still the only one allowing users to do that because you can include a hundred of animated emoji in a message and they will be animated and they will be moving and your device won't crash.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

It's probably unnecessary and crazy, but we think somewhere in this intersection of art and engineering, true quality is created.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

And then, of course, more recently, we expanded into what we call Telegram Gifts, which are essentially blockchain-based collectibles that you can demonstrate on your Telegram profile so that they get social relevance, but you can also use them to congratulate your friends and close the one with their birthdays and other holidays.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

And that was received extremely well.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

Yes, we have a lot of features like that when we use this art to allow people to express themselves

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

And most people don't even know about these features.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

I didn't know about it.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

The other application of the same technology is reactions on Telegram because we made it a goal

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

to make sure that people feel joy when they just send you a like.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

Something so trivial as just adding a like to a message should be an action that you want to perform again and again and again.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

So in 2013, when we were launching Telegram,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

we were aware of the serious issue with privacy that Edward Snowden made very clear.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

And we thought, yes, we're designing this product in a way that is already extremely secure, but we want to make sure that not even we can access user messages.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

And we understood very clearly that

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

a bunch of people who were born in Russia don't necessarily inspire trust.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#482 โ€“ Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

So that's why we made Telegram open source.