Pavel Durov

You have the situation when the cure is worse than the disease.

I think it was incredibly brave to do what Edward did,

I didn't get to work with him.

Whoever see him in person, we keep in touch.

We sometimes communicate, but we're not close.

I still, I think what he did is laudable.

I hope someday we meet.

I think they should be equally afraid of or equally not afraid of, in a way.

It's not that this intelligence service can kill you and the other can't kill you.

I guess they all can kill me, one way or the other.

But it's a matter of whether I'm afraid of death.

That would be a very bold statement, but I proved to be quite stress resilient.

And it's not that you don't have fear.

I don't think there is anything at this point that can happen to change the way I am.

So in 2018, Telegram started to become popular.

In Iran, people used telegrams to protest against the government.

They had these huge channels that they would use to organize

the protests.

And eventually the government couldn't keep up.

invested a lot in coming up with their own messaging app.