Penny Pijnenberg

But I think mainly throughout the day.

Mm-hmm.

You know, at night you can also like not wear underwear, but throughout the day and with cycling and there were whole periods where I could only wear leggings and even sitting like towards the end.

So I basically struggled through like, I think, eight years.

And in the beginning, it was just the thing where I thought I need to solve this because this is going to, it's interfering with my sex life.

So as you know, I work as a producer.

So I'm used as a producer, you're responsible for like organizing, managing everything.

So a good producer will always be ahead two steps of everybody else and have like a plan.

So if this happens, we have plan B, C. So, and I feel like this is how I manage everything in my life.

So I was thinking like, okay, this is a problem now.

I need to get this fixed because this is not good for the future.

And so that's how it started.

But I mean, eventually over years, it got so bad and the flare-ups got longer and longer.

I mean, it was more like, how can I get through the day?

How can I actually cycle?

How can I sit down?

So it was really, yeah, if I think about it, so sad.

And then because I couldn't accept it, I kept searching.

And again, this is quite a long time ago now, nearly 15 years.

So luckily now there's a lot of information and, you know, we're doing the podcast.