Penny Pijnenberg

So eventually I think...

In 2023, you did the first podcast with Rachel Rubin.

And that's when I really realized it was janitory syndrome of menopause.

I had already kind of figured out a few years before that, that it was probably this vaginal atrophy.

But again, like that term, as you were just saying, it's wrong.

And the interesting thing was what you guys were saying on the podcast.

And that's when I was really like, oh, my God.

I think it was Rachel saying that very often she would see those symptoms starting even before any other perimenopause symptoms started.

And that's when I realized that's me.

Yeah.

And I probably would have struggled even longer.

So eventually I found another gynecologist and she actually, she diagnosed, she said, yes, this is janitor cinema menopause.

I still have that letter at home as well.

And for me to actually read that and like a specialist finally saying that already helped.

But then it took a year to actually heal properly.

And also because I'd read this in the international online support group where someone had said,

they actually need much more of the traditional doses, which is two weeks every day, right?

And then you're supposed to do it twice a week.

And I read about someone saying that she actually needed it- Every day.

Every day for a long period.