Peter Attia

And so with those people, we're just trying to nudge them as high as we can get them.

And that's probably not going to get much higher than about 1.2 grams per kilogram of body weight.

But the guidance we're giving people is we really like to see you at about 1.6 to two.

It's an easy heuristic.

It's easy to remember too, because you're basically consuming almost a gram per pound of body weight.

So how would you advise people based on the, tell me the, for all intents and purposes, you don't need to worry about black swans argument.

So for example, if you want to pass

you should study this many hours per day and you will get a C. But if you want to have the best shot at getting into the best college you could get into because you want to study engineering, you should probably study this much

And you're probably going to need to try to get A's.

But if I'm trying to win the Olympics, then it matters.

So let's pivot from here into the extension, the logical extension, I think, of where we're going, which is not just as it pertains to protein, but to a broader discussion around processed foods.

So this is also a very, very hot topic today.

So I want to just talk about it broadly, and then we can talk about protein as a subset of this, because obviously a lot of processed foods are optimized around protein and not just pleasure.

But I will say, I have read quite a bit on this topic, and I've read some pretty compelling arguments on all sides, that if you just took processed and ultra-processed foods off the market, people would be better.

You would force a change in the system that would lead to healthier outcomes.

And of course, I've read other very compelling arguments that say, look, if you actually correct for caloric intake, there's nothing per se

that is wrong with a processed food, at least to the first order, second order potentially.

Let's maybe start with just some of the definitional stuff.

What separates a processed food from an ultra-processed food?

Let's give folks a couple of examples of processed versus ultra-processed.