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#375 - The ketogenic diet, ketosis, and hyperbaric oxygen: metabolic therapies for weight loss, cognitive enhancement, cancer, Alzheimer's disease, brain injuries, and more | Dominic D'Agostino, Ph.D.
But some of the things you've talked about might have piqued their curiosity with respect to performance.
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Let's just start with cognitive performance.
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#375 - The ketogenic diet, ketosis, and hyperbaric oxygen: metabolic therapies for weight loss, cognitive enhancement, cancer, Alzheimer's disease, brain injuries, and more | Dominic D'Agostino, Ph.D.
Can you get all the same benefits of a person who slaves their way through what I used to do and you do and to varying degrees do?
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#375 - The ketogenic diet, ketosis, and hyperbaric oxygen: metabolic therapies for weight loss, cognitive enhancement, cancer, Alzheimer's disease, brain injuries, and more | Dominic D'Agostino, Ph.D.
You're on this very, very strict diet.
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#375 - The ketogenic diet, ketosis, and hyperbaric oxygen: metabolic therapies for weight loss, cognitive enhancement, cancer, Alzheimer's disease, brain injuries, and more | Dominic D'Agostino, Ph.D.
Can they get virtually all of those benefits through judicious use of ketone supplements?
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#375 - The ketogenic diet, ketosis, and hyperbaric oxygen: metabolic therapies for weight loss, cognitive enhancement, cancer, Alzheimer's disease, brain injuries, and more | Dominic D'Agostino, Ph.D.
Is it part of the mechanism that you just described earlier where, look, you ingest enough ketones, you're going to drive insulin enough, that's going to drive down glucose, which, by the way, would not be the most desirable way to lower glucose?
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Define high in that setting.
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#375 - The ketogenic diet, ketosis, and hyperbaric oxygen: metabolic therapies for weight loss, cognitive enhancement, cancer, Alzheimer's disease, brain injuries, and more | Dominic D'Agostino, Ph.D.
And that occurs once you get above 2 or 3 millimole?
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#375 - The ketogenic diet, ketosis, and hyperbaric oxygen: metabolic therapies for weight loss, cognitive enhancement, cancer, Alzheimer's disease, brain injuries, and more | Dominic D'Agostino, Ph.D.
And presumably it's happening slowly enough that the redox reaction to balance your pH is happening.
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You're going to blow off enough CO2, I assume, in that situation.
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#375 - The ketogenic diet, ketosis, and hyperbaric oxygen: metabolic therapies for weight loss, cognitive enhancement, cancer, Alzheimer's disease, brain injuries, and more | Dominic D'Agostino, Ph.D.
If you're nutritionally at three or four millimole, I don't remember what my blood gas looked like,
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Yeah.
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#375 - The ketogenic diet, ketosis, and hyperbaric oxygen: metabolic therapies for weight loss, cognitive enhancement, cancer, Alzheimer's disease, brain injuries, and more | Dominic D'Agostino, Ph.D.
So do you think there's any meaningful application for a BHB monoester these days?
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What is the application for that?
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But I thought you said they didn't work well in epilepsy.
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Yeah, I'm talking about the original molecule from NIH that was a monoester of BHB.
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#375 - The ketogenic diet, ketosis, and hyperbaric oxygen: metabolic therapies for weight loss, cognitive enhancement, cancer, Alzheimer's disease, brain injuries, and more | Dominic D'Agostino, Ph.D.
When you think about the advantages of lactate for alternative brain fuel and ketone as alternative brain fuel, I had George Brooks on the podcast a while ago and he talked about how you could probably rescue concussion patients if you administered lactate quickly following a concussion.
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#375 - The ketogenic diet, ketosis, and hyperbaric oxygen: metabolic therapies for weight loss, cognitive enhancement, cancer, Alzheimer's disease, brain injuries, and more | Dominic D'Agostino, Ph.D.
Would you say the same is likely true for ketones?
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Do you still use MCTs for anything?
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And if you're taking the currently formulated ketone salt that you brought, you do not have to worry about the electrolyte load.