Peter Baker
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291 appearances
9 recordings
3 series
first heard Nov 2024
last heard 9 Jan
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Trump and Vance don't support Ukraine, and yet he is saying, you have to thank us. Right. And as Vance and Zelensky are really kind of going at it.
Vance is pushing Zelensky on problems the Ukrainian military is having with manpower and so forth. And Zelensky says, yeah, of course, we have problems. You'll have problems too, though.
His point is that Russia poses a threat to the United States, not just Ukraine. A lot of times Trump talks about this. He says, this is really a problem for Europe. It's not for us. In fact, Trump has said we have this big ocean between us. So what do we care what happens in Ukraine? And Zelensky is pushing back on that. He says, listen, yes, you have this nice ocean and you don't feel it now.
A lot of distance between you and Russia. That doesn't mean that Russia isn't also a threat to the United States. It doesn't mean the United States doesn't have A stake in this has an interest in who wins this war and whether Russia comes out of it feeling rewarded for its aggression.
This is the moment that Trump now jumps in.
And he begins to really kind of berate Zelensky in this very aggressive way.
Right now, you're playing cards.
You're running low on soldiers.
What he's saying is, you have to accept whatever deal I make with Putin. You don't have any power. You're not able to influence things. And that's a really extraordinary thing to say to the leader of a country at war. He's saying, you don't get to choose here. I'm the one who's going to choose here.
What an extraordinary moment, right? Right. These two leaders really going at it over who and what happens in this conflict in the heart of Europe.
They do. This is where clearly a lot of weeks, if not months of tension have come to the surface and they're just exploding in this meeting. And they're saying what they have been thinking or feeling for quite a while. And it just escalates rather than de-escalates. And you finally get to the point where Trump is relitigating the whole Russia investigation.
He says, Vladimir Putin and I went through this whole Russia hoax.
What an amazing thing to say, right? The person he clearly feels a bond with is Putin, not with Volodymyr Zelensky, who runs a democratic country that has been allied with the United States and is under fire.
Finally, Trump lays down his cards and he says, but you're either going to make a deal or we're out.
Basically, either you're with us, either you go along with what I'm going to do or we're out. We'll abandon you. We'll abandon you. It's a very stark threat.
And then the reporters are escorted out of the room.
Exactly. This deal is supposed to be signed. They're supposed to use this deal to put the relationship on a new foundation going forward. And now with the cameras out of the room, are they going to make apologies or at least smooth it over? And will they still have the lunch? Will they still sign the deal that was the whole point of him coming in the first place?
Will they have the news conference been set up in the East Room waiting for us any minute now? We don't know. But then suddenly we get the answer. Zelensky's car has just pulled up to the door of the West Wing. And he's leaving.
Well, what we end up learning later is the two teams, the U.S. team and the Ukrainian team, head into separate rooms in the West Wing to collect themselves after this bruising battle in the Oval Office. And Zelensky still wants to salvage this thing. He still wants to sign the deal. smooth it over. But the U.S.
side, Trump and his team, are meeting in another part of the White House, and they are furious. And the answer to them is no. It's over. Tell them to leave. And two U.S. officials then go to the room where Zelensky and his team are and explain to him, you're out of here. Basically, they're kicking Zelensky out of the White House. Exactly right.
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