Peter Baker

That's tough stuff. And the first 20 minutes, 25 minutes are perfectly normal, perfectly fine, but you begin to hear a little bit of an edge. You begin to hear a little bit of the tension that's there.

That's tough stuff. And the first 20 minutes, 25 minutes are perfectly normal, perfectly fine, but you begin to hear a little bit of an edge. You begin to hear a little bit of the tension that's there.

And they just don't see the war in the same way.

And they just don't see the war in the same way.

You've been the president, but he... Zelensky does not want Trump to negotiate a ceasefire with Russia with no conditions, and Ukraine gets nothing out of it. He doesn't think Putin can be trusted.

You've been the president, but he... Zelensky does not want Trump to negotiate a ceasefire with Russia with no conditions, and Ukraine gets nothing out of it. He doesn't think Putin can be trusted.

He doesn't think that a ceasefire would hold. So he says, I need security guarantees. And that's what he's there to ask the United States for. And Trump does not want to have anything to do with it.

He doesn't think that a ceasefire would hold. So he says, I need security guarantees. And that's what he's there to ask the United States for. And Trump does not want to have anything to do with it.

But then in the midst of this back and forth, suddenly you hear a new voice.

But then in the midst of this back and forth, suddenly you hear a new voice.

It's the vice president, J.D. Vance, who hasn't really been talking in the meeting. And he pipes up and he says, I want to interject here. And he offers a pointed defense of Trump's approach to the conflict. Trump is the one, he says, who's going to bring peace. He's going to be engaging in diplomacy.

It's the vice president, J.D. Vance, who hasn't really been talking in the meeting. And he pipes up and he says, I want to interject here. And he offers a pointed defense of Trump's approach to the conflict. Trump is the one, he says, who's going to bring peace. He's going to be engaging in diplomacy.

And Zelensky, who's been listening to all this, really feels like he has to respond here.

And Zelensky, who's been listening to all this, really feels like he has to respond here.

And Zelensky basically proceeds to pick apart this idea that diplomacy is necessarily going to work. He points out there's a long history here. The war didn't just start three years ago. It started in 2014 when Putin first sent forces into Ukraine, seized Crimea, began seizing parts of eastern Ukraine.

And Zelensky basically proceeds to pick apart this idea that diplomacy is necessarily going to work. He points out there's a long history here. The war didn't just start three years ago. It started in 2014 when Putin first sent forces into Ukraine, seized Crimea, began seizing parts of eastern Ukraine.

And he points out that this war had been going on ever since, including during Trump's presidency. Yes.

And he points out that this war had been going on ever since, including during Trump's presidency. Yes.

And that seems to get under Trump and Vance's skin.

And that seems to get under Trump and Vance's skin.