Peter Baker

I noted it. Yeah, absolutely. And look, you know, on one level you can say he's trying to be friendly with him. Sometimes foreign leaders do refer to each other by their first names, but Vance takes offense and then jumps back in.

I noted it. Yeah, absolutely. And look, you know, on one level you can say he's trying to be friendly with him. Sometimes foreign leaders do refer to each other by their first names, but Vance takes offense and then jumps back in.

And this is when things go from bad to very bad.

And this is when things go from bad to very bad.

You start hearing Vance say, you should be grateful to us and really putting Zelensky on the defensive there. And Zelensky, of course, has thanked America for three years quite prolifically. But, you know, what's actually, I think, striking about that demand by Vance, you should be thanking us, is he is demanding that somebody thank two leaders who haven't supported him. Ukraine.

You start hearing Vance say, you should be grateful to us and really putting Zelensky on the defensive there. And Zelensky, of course, has thanked America for three years quite prolifically. But, you know, what's actually, I think, striking about that demand by Vance, you should be thanking us, is he is demanding that somebody thank two leaders who haven't supported him. Ukraine.

Trump and Vance don't support Ukraine, and yet he is saying, you have to thank us. Right. And as Vance and Zelensky are really kind of going at it.

Trump and Vance don't support Ukraine, and yet he is saying, you have to thank us. Right. And as Vance and Zelensky are really kind of going at it.

Vance is pushing Zelensky on problems the Ukrainian military is having with manpower and so forth. And Zelensky says, yeah, of course, we have problems. You'll have problems too, though.

Vance is pushing Zelensky on problems the Ukrainian military is having with manpower and so forth. And Zelensky says, yeah, of course, we have problems. You'll have problems too, though.

His point is that Russia poses a threat to the United States, not just Ukraine. A lot of times Trump talks about this. He says, this is really a problem for Europe. It's not for us. In fact, Trump has said we have this big ocean between us. So what do we care what happens in Ukraine? And Zelensky is pushing back on that. He says, listen, yes, you have this nice ocean and you don't feel it now.

His point is that Russia poses a threat to the United States, not just Ukraine. A lot of times Trump talks about this. He says, this is really a problem for Europe. It's not for us. In fact, Trump has said we have this big ocean between us. So what do we care what happens in Ukraine? And Zelensky is pushing back on that. He says, listen, yes, you have this nice ocean and you don't feel it now.

A lot of distance between you and Russia. That doesn't mean that Russia isn't also a threat to the United States. It doesn't mean the United States doesn't have A stake in this has an interest in who wins this war and whether Russia comes out of it feeling rewarded for its aggression.

A lot of distance between you and Russia. That doesn't mean that Russia isn't also a threat to the United States. It doesn't mean the United States doesn't have A stake in this has an interest in who wins this war and whether Russia comes out of it feeling rewarded for its aggression.

This is the moment that Trump now jumps in.

This is the moment that Trump now jumps in.

And he begins to really kind of berate Zelensky in this very aggressive way.

And he begins to really kind of berate Zelensky in this very aggressive way.

Right now, you're playing cards.

Right now, you're playing cards.